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paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 00:15 #1

ipswich OFFLINE Signaller Posts: 236 Thank you received: 14	tonights paddington - penzance sleeper is a.... HST set LOL i dread to think what might be on it tomorrow (maybe 5 142s we can hope LOL)
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Re: paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 03:18 #2

Stephen Fulcher OFFLINE Local Operations Manager Posts: 628 Thank you received: 113	That is interesting as there are no sleeping coaches on an HST set!
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Re: paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 09:48 #3

Underwood OFFLINE Local Operations Manager Posts: 360 Thank you received: 37	Not the first time it has happened either! Haven't been unlucky to fall onto a HST vice yet, but I haven't used the beds part before, however the ex-First Class seating in the seated part is much more comfortable to sleep on than on a refurbished HST! Sounds like yet another 57/6 fault? I believe 57603 recently collapsed in a heap...
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Re: paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 10:00 #4

58050 OFFLINE Local Operations Manager Posts: 1284 Thank you received: 128	They could always replace the Mk.3 seating coaches for Mk.3 sleepers instead. Then you would have a HST sleeper set.
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Re: paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 10:59 #5

kbarber OFFLINE Local Operations Manager Posts: 620 Thank you received: 168	58050 wrote: They could always replace the Mk.3 seating coaches for Mk.3 sleepers instead. Then you would have a HST sleeper set. I understand the hauled- and HST- MkIIIs are electrically incompatible, they'd need a complete strip out & rewire.
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Re: paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 13:43 #6

BoxBoyKit OFFLINE Signaller Posts: 106 Thank you received: 9	From what I've read on the internet...it makes me wonder why FGW even bother with a sleeper service, something always seems to go wrong with it.
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Re: paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 15:57 #7

Stanyon OFFLINE Trainee signaller Posts: 50 Thank you received: 4	57604 was rescued on old oak and went on and worked the service, as booked and its not possible to be 142's as FGW dont have any now they all back with northern, normally due to the incompatibility the sleeper stock is worked by back to back HST power cars.
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Re: paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 16:40 #8

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Assuming it is a problem with the 57s couldn't FGW use 67s instead? You don't seem to hear about them disgracing themselves on the Anglo-Scottish sleepers. Since the loss of mail traffic (for which I understand they were built) and the demise of Wrexham & Shropshire there might be some available for hire.

Maybe the 67s don't have the necessary clearance or route availability. Anyone care to comment on these ideas?

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Re: paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 17:04 #9

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Javelin395 wrote:

Assuming it is a problem with the 57s couldn't FGW use 67s instead? You don't seem to hear about them disgracing themselves on the Anglo-Scottish sleepers. Since the loss of mail traffic (for which I understand they were built) and the demise of Wrexham & Shropshire there might be some available for hire.

Maybe the 67s don't have the necessary clearance or route availability. Anyone care to comment on these ideas?

The 67s previously used by WSMR (RIP) are now in use with Chiltern. The trouble with FGW taking on 67s is the cost of training crews on them, well so I'm told.

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Re: paddington - penzance sleeper 27 Feb 2012 17:28 #10

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Personally I'd rather see Cl.47s or even Cl.50s back on the Night Riviera' as opposed to Cl.67s. Cl.67s never liked them & as a loco totally useless. During the last 3 years of being a loco controller with EWS can't say I ever heard of any drivers liking them. I think it would take an eternity for a Cl.67 to reach 90mph plus on a train with the numbers of coaches the sleeper hauls. Cl.47s are better than Cl.57s on acceleration & have more field diverts as well so better suited to that kind of work.

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