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TOPIC: Kings Cross 2010 Timetable

Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 22 Jan 2011 21:03 #51

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In the Rules section, doesn't the rule about 2R01 need to be changed to "2R01B must appear 1 minutes after 2R01A leaves the area"?
And somehow, I get both 2P51s entering, despite the rule about them being mutually exclusive.
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 24 Jan 2011 20:48 #52

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I got 2 x 2P51 as well. I've now got 1A911 and 1A912 running block and block from Biggleswade.

5E31 blocking Hornsey Reversing sidings (2 x 365 apparently won't fit).
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 25 Jan 2011 15:33 #53

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5E31 (and 1P53, the service it's formed off) are 12 car trains according to the diagrams I've got, so the length is correct, and you need to reverse it on the DS2. Strangely enough in the sim timetable the train type is indeed listed as 2 x 365, but with a length of 240 m, equal to 3 x 365. I don't know how easy this is to add, but some information in the pop up timetable about unit formations would have been nice.
Regarding 1A91, I think this is related to 5H02 and some missing rules. If the latter runs, 1A911 needs to run (so the stock is swapped around), if it doesn't, you need 1A912, where the return service simply uses the stock of the incoming service.
Other than that, everything's been alright until now (08:45).

Edit: One more thing I've noticed, 2F81 has "Runs as required 0% of time" ticked, even though it should run all the time, as it appears to be a seed service.
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 04 Feb 2011 11:00 #54

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Hi there iv only been playing this new timetable for a few hours and one thing i have noticed is that some trains when they change to there next working there train description changes but the traction on that train still stays the same so when your on the train list its telling you its a 317 when instead its a 365 or 321. .

Cheers Jamie
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 06 Feb 2011 17:19 #55

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Chris

I've just about got through to the end of the TT. A number of points:

1. In a few cases, both trains of a matched pair enter rather than one of the other. I have noted 1A911 / 1A912, 1A971 / 1A972 and 5D841 / 5D842 all entering, but there could be others.
2. There are instances of trains due to double up or join in P11 at KX. In every case I have had an overlength warning and had to talk the driver past S292 on SL2. However, also in every case the train(s) have fitted into the P11 TCs without blocking the throat.
3. Late in the day, 2P41 is sitting in P10 awaiting 24:36 departure. 2Y78 and 2D86 are then scheduled on top of it to join and form 2V801. In this case there was no overlength warning, but the 3 units on the one platform blocked the throat.
4. There were a number of platforming duplications at KX. I haven't listed them and took the view that finding platforms when the WTT is a bit iffy is all part of the signaller or controller's job. However as written the TT does not work for KX. If you want me to follow up with a list, I'll go back over things for you.
5. 1M91 is routed to Harringay reverse, Hornsey DS2 reverse and Harringay Park Jn. It is listed as a Cl 325 so cannot use that route on the sim as it has no OHLE through Harringay Park. If it is a Cl 325 the route should presumably be by Camden Rd. Jn (and if it's a diesel dragging the unit it presumably can't reverse all the way over the flyover). I know there is a plan to electrify the chord aligned to the plan for the Gospel Oak to Barking electrification but I didn't think that had happened yet.

Minor niggles in a nice piece of work, so thanks for the efforts!
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 10 Feb 2011 20:27 #56

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Postal, I'm keeping a list of all platform conflicts I've had, plus some other things (sticky notes are really useful), and I'm currently at about 17:00. Once I've got through the timetable, I'll post my findings.
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 18 Feb 2011 10:56 #57

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postal wrote:
2. There are instances of trains due to double up or join in P11 at KX. In every case I have had an overlength warning and had to talk the driver past S292 on SL2. However, also in every case the train(s) have fitted into the P11 TCs without blocking the throat.

I've had the same issue with the double docking in platform 11, although I think the overlength warning is prototypical. The remaining unoccupied track circuits are probably too short to berth another train.

If I remember correctly from the previous paged version of Kings X, you could avoid the train overlength warning by setting a route via the intermediate shunt signal. So instead of setting the route from the main signal (for example signal 292) directly into the platform, you could set a route from signal 292 to shunt signal 14 first and then from signal 14 to the platform. Because the driver would see a shunt aspect throughout the route, the train overlength warning will not be triggered.

I would love to hear your thoughts.

Philo
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 18 Feb 2011 21:22 #58

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Well, I think Peter said something somewhere about a possible bug with the overlength indicator on the Up Slow.
Also, while it's clear that some train combinations would trigger the warning, even though they actually fit in the platform, the standard combination of four car (approx. 80 m) + four car ought to work without problems.
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 18 Feb 2011 21:52 #59

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Indeed Platforms 9, 10 and 11 all fit 8-cars, only just. This is covered under the Simulation Manual. The 2nd Train Overlength Indicators is also covered.
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Kings Cross 2010 Timetable 18 Feb 2011 23:43 #60

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Thanks for that UKTM.

The reason I made the report was because the indicator was not triggered for the same generic joins in P9 or P10. I apologise for not making that clear in the original post.

JG
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