Forest Pines I have now started my 1984 WTT & there's an interesting issue within the first hour whereby 5J54 ECS DMU runs from Barnsley - Sheffield, attaches the rear parcels van off 1E66 News ex Manc'r Pic which arrives at 0220 & departs 0224. However 5J54 is booked to arrive at 0218 & depart at 0229 with tail traffic attached as 1J54! Do you have anything like that in your 1986 WTT? Because whatever way you look at this %J54 will be held outside Sheffield till 1E66 clears the platform, then 5J54 can go into the platform where the van has been detached. No win situation on this one. No other moves shown in WTT, so 5J54 must attach to it.

Forest Pines I have now started my 1984 WTT & there's an interesting issue within the first hour whereby 5J54 ECS DMU runs from Barnsley - Sheffield, attaches the rear parcels van off 1E66 News ex Manc'r Pic which arrives at 0220 & departs 0224. However 5J54 is booked to arrive at 0218 & depart at 0229 with tail traffic attached as 1J54! Do you have anything like that in your 1986 WTT? Because whatever way you look at this %J54 will be held outside Sheffield till 1E66 clears the platform, then 5J54 can go into the platform where the van has been detached. No win situation on this one. No other moves shown in WTT, so 5J54 must attach to it.

Would the station pilot shunt it onto the back of the 5J??

Well I thought of that Noel, but you would still have a late start. The station pilot has already shunted vans off 3 trains at Sheffield between midnight & 0300Am Noel. Still I suppose the only excuse you could use is that as it is completely BR, then !J54 would be held for traffic. There are a few DMU's in section YC with 'tail traffic'. I will be e-mailing you a copy of this timetable on Christmas Eve. I started this one off as my 1991-1994 Timetable is saved on my new PC, but that developed a software fault & went back to the shop today. So working on the laptop only. Thought this one would be easier to work through as the 1980's era is available.

There is a similar move in the 1986 timetable. However - going from memory, there isn't a specific 5J54 in the timetable, so I didn't have the problem you have. The timing is still pretty tight, though. In my timetable, the stock for 1J54 is provided by one of several overnight ECS DMU moves from Tinsley to Sheffield. I've taken those movements to consist of several DMUs each, partly to take care of seeding.

The way I timetabled the move in question is: first, put the ECS for 1J54 in the siding at the north end of P1; run 1E66 into P1B and detach the van, then couple the empty DMU on to the van after 1E66 has departed. There's just enough time to attach before 1J54 is due to depart. You could do the same moves with your timings, although it would only really work if 5J54 was running slightly early. I've set the tail traffic to be a single van, to make shunting the return working easier.

The other thing I'm trying to establish is what services were worked b Cl.40's through Sheffield during 1983/1984. I know not all of the class had been withdrawn by hen. So far I've shown a Cl.40 working 1E66 to Cleethorpes & 4M22 return, but that's it. I'm trying to contact someone I used to work with on the railways who was a big Cl.40 enthusiast, but awaiting for him to call me back. I wonder whether Peter Bennet has any info on this Forest Pines, or anyone else reading this post. I'm searching the internet for any info. Nearly everything else I have a good idea on.

Have seen photos of Cl 40's at Sheffield from 1983/84 on Flickr but alas I haven't seen any with attached info about their exact workings. If I come across anything I will let you know.

Tim

Yes I've seen photos as well n a few sites on the internet. This one is my main issue whilst creating this Timetable. DMU wise I've created Cl.101 2 car sets, Cl.110 3 car sets, Cl.120 3 car sets, Cl.124 'Trans-Pennine' 4 car sets & Cl.108 3 car sets. Not too sure whether I've missed any. Loco wise there'll be Cl.08 shunters Cl.20's, Cl.25, Cl.31, Cl.37, Cl.40, Cl.44, Cl.45, Cl.46, Cl.47, Cl.56 & Cl.58's in this Timetable. I haven't a problem allocating traction to trains, except Cl.40's. I did think aout leaving them completely out of this timetable based on 1984, but I'm sure someone somewhere may have asked the question where are the Cl.40's? I know there won't be that many on Passenger or Parcels trains, but if Cl.40;s did work specific trains through Sheffield during 1983/1984 then I want to make sure I've got that right. I know the Diton - Broughton Lane 'BOC oxygen tanks' was worked by a Cl.40 with a Cl.25, but that's a freight service. Looking at the 'Allocation History Book for BR Diesels' covering Cl.13 master & slave shunters at Tinsley yard, they had all been wuthdrawn by this time.

theres class 114`s from lincoln. till the shed closed in the mid 80`s
plus lincoln had an allocation of class 105`s to
hope this helps

plus when did darnall shed close?
as i belive the dmu`s that worked from sheffeild were all allocated there?

yours

paul

Thanks for that Paul I've made a noe of that.
Forest Pines have you experimented with your Sheffield 1986 timetable. What I'm getting at is between 0000 & 0600 there is about 6 parcels trains which detach vans at Sheffield. In the timetable I am writing I've stored them in DSS, US1 & US2. Now 1M65-1 "255 SX Parcels Glasgow Central - Nott'm PCD arrives at Sheffield with 11 vans in tow(I've ut a Cl.45/1 at the front) at 0532. The train stops to attach 2 vans & is booked to depart at 0545. Now I've looked at detaching the loco & sending it to US1 via S.91 signal, but doing it that way I run out of time & would present 1M65-2 with a late departure. Can't imagine the station pilot coming off Sheffield HS with 2 vans & reversing at S.142 signal & back the vans onto the rear in P5 because I suspect Sheffield HS would be full of DMU's at this time.I wonder how long a train can stand in the Centre Sdg. Cl.8=9m & BG=17m, total length of train would be 43m. Forest Pines have ou experimented in your 1986 timetable?