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Yorkshire signal box map 30/05/2016 at 21:03 #82763
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In a similar manner to my Birmingham map, I've produced a schematic plan of most of South and West Yorkshire, showing all routes and the signal boxes controlling them. It isn't to scale, and some junction layouts (notably at Leeds and Doncaster) have been simplified for clarity- the main purpose is to show how and where all the various lines connect up.

I'm planning to add it to the Wiki, but before I do, I'd like to check that it's readable and correct- please take a look and feel free to post suggestions below.

Boxes are not shown for the Harrogate Loop and the lines towards Goole- these lines are controlled by a multitude of boxes, and there's little purpose in showing them all- not to mention the fact that I'd run out of colours. As a final note, I have no idea if any of the unavailable boxes are in development, or will ever be developed: they're shown simply to aid understanding of the area.

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Yorkshire signal box map 30/05/2016 at 21:18 #82764
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Oakenshaw has now closed and passed to wakefield Kirkgate.

Hickleton and Moorthorpe are both also closed and now controlled by York IECC. I couldnt confirm if its part of Ardsley workstation or not.

Masborough Junction has been labelled as Mexborough Junction aswell.

Other than that all looks fine and Dandy!

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Yorkshire signal box map 30/05/2016 at 21:32 #82765
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" said:
Oakenshaw has now closed and passed to wakefield Kirkgate.

Hickleton and Moorthorpe are both also closed and now controlled by York IECC. I couldnt confirm if its part of Ardsley workstation or not.
That's embarrassing, I'd completely missed Hickleton! It was tricky to decide what era to set the map in, as SimSig isn't always up to date with control areas. I'll leave them as they are for now, but might combine Oakenshaw with Wakefield.

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Yorkshire signal box map 30/05/2016 at 21:37 #82766
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Nice map, actually the 'lines toward Goole' are just Ferrybridge PSB and then straight into Goole Box, Hensall and the others are gone.

Also that's not how you spell Rotherham :)
Nor is that right for Aldwarke

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Yorkshire signal box map 30/05/2016 at 22:13 #82772
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Nice maps, just one thought.
Where you have a change of box at the boundary of page 1 and 2 it might make it a bit clearer if you continued one or other colors over the page so the interface was shown.

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Yorkshire signal box map 31/05/2016 at 10:04 #82779
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Nice maps, just one thought.
Where you have a change of box at the boundary of page 1 and 2 it might make it a bit clearer if you continued one or other colors over the page so the interface was shown.

Peter
I've adjusted the Doncaster/York and Milford/Ferrybridge connections from the usual arrowhead to a square and circle respectively, to make it a bit clearer. Unfortunately, there aren't enough colours available to continue them over the page.

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Yorkshire signal box map 31/05/2016 at 10:56 #82780
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What era did you decide to go for? If "bang up to date", at least Sheffield PSB has gone over to York ROC - I can't find any details on what, if anything else, the ROC has taken control of.
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Yorkshire signal box map 31/05/2016 at 13:19 #82789
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" said:
Oakenshaw has now closed and passed to wakefield Kirkgate.

Hickleton and Moorthorpe are both also closed and now controlled by York IECC. I couldnt confirm if its part of Ardsley workstation or not.

Masborough Junction has been labelled as Mexborough Junction aswell.

Other than that all looks fine and Dandy!
York IECC, Ardsley W/S does now control Hickleton and Moorthorpe, the boundary to York ROC (Rotherham) is at Bolton-on-Dearne, which is protected by the ROC

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Yorkshire signal box map 31/05/2016 at 15:02 #82793
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It should be Forster Square not Forcester
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Yorkshire signal box map 31/05/2016 at 16:24 #82798
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" said:
What era did you decide to go for? If "bang up to date", at least Sheffield PSB has gone over to York ROC - I can't find any details on what, if anything else, the ROC has taken control of.
It's based on a 2006 Quail map. I didn't go fully up-to-date, because I wanted to give an indication of which areas each SimSig simulation controls- hence why York IECC is shown in 3 different colours (York N/S, Leeds E/W and the bits that aren't simulated yet).

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Yorkshire signal box map 31/05/2016 at 20:00 #82802
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Boxes are not shown for the Harrogate Loop and the lines towards Goole- these lines are controlled by a multitude of boxes, and there's little purpose in showing them all- not to mention the fact that I'd run out of colours. As a final note, I have no idea if any of the unavailable boxes are in development, or will ever be developed: they're shown simply to aid understanding of the area.

Fair enough: you could say that the black dark coloured line on the first page represents a line containing areas of mechanical signalling. For anyone who is unfamilliar with the area and is wondering the boxes from Skelton Junction are, in order:

- Poppleton * **
- Hessay
- Marston Moor *
- Hammerton ** (mechanical signals: box in metal "shed")
- Cattal * **
- Knaresborough * **
- Belmont *
- Starbeck *
- Harrogate *
- Rigton *

* = easy to photograph | ** = places I have been for photos.

That is all I am aware of anyway.

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Yorkshire signal box map 01/06/2016 at 07:25 #82820
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" said:
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Boxes are not shown for the Harrogate Loop and the lines towards Goole- these lines are controlled by a multitude of boxes, and there's little purpose in showing them all- not to mention the fact that I'd run out of colours. As a final note, I have no idea if any of the unavailable boxes are in development, or will ever be developed: they're shown simply to aid understanding of the area.

Fair enough: you could say that the black dark coloured line on the first page represents a line containing areas of mechanical signalling. For anyone who is unfamilliar with the area and is wondering the boxes from Skelton Junction are, in order:

- Poppleton * **
- Hessay
- Marston Moor *
- Hammerton ** (mechanical signals: box in metal "shed")
- Cattal * **
- Knaresborough * **
- Belmont *
- Starbeck *
- Harrogate *
- Rigton *

* = easy to photograph | ** = places I have been for photos.

That is all I am aware of anyway.

HTIOI,
Dave
Hessay, Marston Moor and Belmont are Crossing boxes only. Rigton is now closed and worked CCTV from Harrogate, although if you're including Rigton you need to include Horsforth as well. The line from Horsforth to Harrogate is now TCB worked from a workstation in Harrogate box.

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Yorkshire signal box map 01/06/2016 at 16:27 #82831
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Cutsyke box is missing - it is between Castleford and Prince of Wales Colliery
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Yorkshire signal box map 01/06/2016 at 16:34 #82832
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Hessay, Marston Moor and Belmont are Crossing boxes only. Rigton is now closed and worked CCTV from Harrogate, although if you're including Rigton you need to include Horsforth as well. The line from Horsforth to Harrogate is now TCB worked from a workstation in Harrogate box.

In view of there being semaphores on both sides of the crossing at Marston Moor I am surprised it is a gatebox. I have checked with Phil Deaves' "railwaycodes" site which confirms it was downgraded 04-Jun-1972.

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Yorkshire signal box map 01/06/2016 at 17:28 #82846
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Hessay, Marston Moor and Belmont are Crossing boxes only. Rigton is now closed and worked CCTV from Harrogate, although if you're including Rigton you need to include Horsforth as well. The line from Horsforth to Harrogate is now TCB worked from a workstation in Harrogate box.

In view of there being semaphores on both sides of the crossing at Marston Moor I am surprised it is a gatebox. I have checked with Phil Deaves' "railwaycodes" site which confirms it was downgraded 04-Jun-1972.

Dave
Why the suprise? Its not a block post as theres no suitable passing place. Its the same as any other crossing protected by semaphores in both directions. Theres a few like it still on the Network. Howsham on the Scarbro line being a good example.

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Yorkshire signal box map 02/06/2016 at 03:14 #82861
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Hessay, Marston Moor and Belmont are Crossing boxes only. Rigton is now closed and worked CCTV from Harrogate, although if you're including Rigton you need to include Horsforth as well. The line from Horsforth to Harrogate is now TCB worked from a workstation in Harrogate box.

In view of there being semaphores on both sides of the crossing at Marston Moor I am surprised it is a gatebox. I have checked with Phil Deaves' "railwaycodes" site which confirms it was downgraded 04-Jun-1972.

Dave
Why the suprise? Its not a block post as theres no suitable passing place. Its the same as any other crossing protected by semaphores in both directions. Theres a few like it still on the Network. Howsham on the Scarbro line being a good example.
Ty Croes on the North Wales Coast is like it as well; and should be turned back into a block post to break up the long section!

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Yorkshire signal box map 30/10/2016 at 13:30 #87081
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When I try and Download the Signal Box map attachment, I get a simple message: "ERROR" and no explanation as to what is wrong. Has anyone else had this problem or is it something I'm doing wrong?
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Yorkshire signal box map 30/10/2016 at 15:54 #87083
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Same here - error message.
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Yorkshire signal box map 30/10/2016 at 21:32 #87098
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There does not seem to be an intrinsic problem with the file type but there does seem to be a problem with some, but not all, files carried over from the old site.

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Yorkshire signal box map 30/10/2016 at 22:03 #87099
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Thanks, Peter. I'll try again in a few days and also keep an eye on the posts re the new website.
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Yorkshire signal box map 31/10/2016 at 06:48 #87102
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It has been suggested to me by PM that when the site migrated there was a file size limit which wiped out some of the larger attachments. The size has since been enlarged but that did not then reinstate the omitted files.

It's a theory that makes some sense to me.

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Yorkshire signal box map 31/10/2016 at 21:13 #87110
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I've attached the map again below, there's also been some updates to reflect recent simulation releases and the comments above.

It will also be added to the Wiki when the Wiki is fixed.

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