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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 16/04/2010 at 22:30 #1130
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Discussion of the 1993 timetable, how to get things to work, and bug reports.
I'm bound to have left some in there !

Do please check the documentation for advice on the more tricky parts of the timetable, and also links to some photographs of the trains for real.

Bill

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 16/04/2010 at 22:30 #8585
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Discussion of the 1993 timetable, how to get things to work, and bug reports.
I'm bound to have left some in there !

Do please check the documentation for advice on the more tricky parts of the timetable, and also links to some photographs of the trains for real.

Bill

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 18/04/2010 at 16:34 #8616
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Got to 10:50 on this TT and has run without a hitch so far. However, I have found that some manual intervention is required with 7S43-1 at Dunbar, where it is looped to allow 1E07 to pass. If you just leave the train to do its stuff it will happily sit at Dunbar until its 10:51 departure time but the overlap past ED494 doesn't drop (7S43 is sitting in the station platform and hasn't reached the signal) and it is not possible to set the route for 1E07 on the mainline. To get round this I had to set 7S43-1's timetable to its next location (Oxwellmains crossovers) so it would draw forward to sig ED494 and allow the overlap to drop.
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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 18/04/2010 at 17:46 #8617
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This is a sim bug, has been reported and is being dealt with.
The other way around this is to put it looped trains into to Drem instead, or by using the bidirectional lines as originally designed. Which suits will depend on timekeeping of other services

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Bill

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 27/04/2010 at 08:22 #8787
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I found that my making Dunbar a set down time 7S43 draws forward, surrendering the overlap and no late penalty.
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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 09/06/2010 at 09:22 #9555
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I noted that if 6G27 runs late to Townhill Loop in ARS mode, 0G27 is given the road even before the train has arrived and divided. Shouldn't there be a Rule to prevent this occurring?

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 09/06/2010 at 12:50 #9556
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ARS is not that clever- it works on TDs berths and Time + regulation logic.
Once the TD in in the berth the ARS looks to see if it can set the route immediatly or has to wait for the due time (I think it is set to do the latter) and if the time has passes it sets the route- that's why 00.00 time in ARS sims are not a good idea. It is not clever enough to know whether the train is actually ready to leave so what you may want to deallocate ARS from Class 0 or collar the signals.

Peter

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 11/06/2010 at 16:13 #9594
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I found this to be a good timetable for learning purposes, managed to get through to the end with a score of 86%. Made many mistakes but now have a reasonable understanding of the sim and how to work ground frames and Waverley engine berths
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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 20/06/2010 at 06:38 #9724
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I am using the 1993 TT. My query is how do you move 0S19 out of PC2 at Waverley @ 0625 ? Tried alerting the TT for the that loco move but to no avail Grahame.
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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 20/06/2010 at 07:00 #9725
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I presume you've swung the points to the correct position for PC2 before setting the signal? See here for further information.
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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 20/06/2010 at 23:44 #9742
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Good Day. Thank you. I went through the wiki for Edinburgh too. Its like losing my glasses 15 times a day. The obvious place and reason. Grahame
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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 13/08/2010 at 19:20 #10707
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Evening all. Firstly, thank you to all for both the sim and the TTs. Fantastic work. Secondly, just an operating query really. I suppose that I ought to keep 8K10 Reston ES on the Dn Main rather than wrong road, as this is its booked working? This would seem a reasonable supposition as the machine is running at working speed. I take it that I should therefore also assume a posession in force, perhaps in stages, on the Dn main between Reston and Innerswick initially? Of course this means running 6S93 and 1S37 via the Up. Dreadful for regulation, but operationally correct and more prototypical? Please advise. Cheers!
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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 14/08/2010 at 01:49 #10710
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I've always ran 8K10 via the DM and held it at Innerwick signal EG463 until the 2 trains DOWN you mentioned have passed on the UP line. The line between Grantshouse & Innerwick is signalled for such a move so I've never really had a problem with it.
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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 17/08/2010 at 12:26 #10773
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LordSven,
Glad you like the timetable, thanks for the compliments. Flymo has the solution to the 8K10 problem, as you see there's padding in 8K10's timetable for this at Innerwick. Equally all overnight down trains have 20 minutes recovery time in place for a section of single line working (in WTT as well as sim). Hence if you don't get 8K10 running, some trains can cause problems by being 20+ early at Portobello.

You can also keep 8K10 going on the DM and run the two trains wrong road beyond the bi-di signalling. Edinburgh is fully set up for wrong line running but you will need a PSAD at the limits of shunt and ground frames.
This would also be the case if sending 8K10 wrong road.

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Bill

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 17/10/2010 at 21:48 #12038
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Found a interesting working, Paddington to Edinburgh which is in the sim as 1S59 - what route would this have taken back when it ran and when did it stop running?

It sounds like a Pre Operation Princess Cross Country service, am I right?

I do love this timetable though!!!

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 17/10/2010 at 22:11 #12039
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From memory it would have been Paddington - Reading - Oxford - Banbury - Birmingham NS* - up the WCML - Carstairs - Edinburgh. There was also a reverse working although it doesn't appear to be in this timetable - maybe went from Glasgow Central.


* not sure of the route into New Street - although I'm sure the 80's version of this service went via Coventry and Birmingham International.

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 17/10/2010 at 23:28 #12040
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Memory is starting to get a bit hazy now, but I think I can corroborate what sloppyjag says. I am sure that I made a few trips into London on a Glasgow - Paddington that used to leave Oxford at about 22:00 in the late 1990s. I've also got it in the back of my mind that the standard XC timing from Glasgow was XX:13 and I have similar vague recollections of travelling on something about 14:13 from Glasgow to Carlisle which could well have been the same train.

In regard to the stretch south of Birmingham, I'm pretty sure that the standard XC route in those days was Banbury - Leamington Spa - Coventry - Birmingham Int - Birmingham NS and vice versa.

This was a little later than Bill's 1993 TT, but I don't think things changed that much between 1993 and 1995 - 1997.

JG

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 18/10/2010 at 20:35 #12051
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1993 was a bit of a transition period between the 'split at Carstairs' setup that had lasted since the 1970's and the regular interval service that ran up to the Voyagers of 'Operation Princess'. So there are some West Coast XC HST's (you see a Bournemouth as 1O12 via Glasgow) and the 7 coach AC loco hauled workings to Birmingham / Liverpool using Carstairs East curve, and a degree of imbalance between Glasgow and Edinburgh as destinations/origins.
The 0600 from Paddington is really a left-over from the previous timetable, with a Paddington - Birmingham becoming a Birmingham - Edinburgh and being advertised through.
The full Scottish XC hauled service was:
0924 EDB - BHI
1045 GLC - PLY
1136 EDB - BTN
1245 GLC - PAD
1422 EDB - LIV
1550 GLC - BHM
1726 EDB - BHM

0655 BHM - GLC
0907 LIV - EDB
0600 PAD - EDB
1009 BHI - GLC
0920 BTN - EDB
1012 PLY - GLC
1722 BHI - GLC
Glad the TT is keeping folks interested
Bill

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 20/10/2010 at 08:57 #12064
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Just quickly, I'm concerned that 1S49 once it arrives at Edinburgh at Platform 101 (Is that supposed to be Platform 10 or 11?) blocks route W out of Edinburgh to Haymarket so no other services can use that route, if I delay 1S49 then obviously I'm going to delay other services.

The train is a Class 90 and 12 coaches so guess 269m is the right length but as I don't use ARS for Edinburgh but I do for other areas.

Help please!

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 20/10/2010 at 10:39 #12066
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I'm sure I covered 101 (and 191 or 119 whatever it is ) in the manual as being the full length of P10&11 (or 1&19) - it's because the max description length is only 3 characters. It really only needs to be used for trains that have join/split activities on both platforms.
Thefore you must signal the train to the far end of the respective full length platform- have you done that?- sounds like you did not.

Peter

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 24/10/2010 at 17:56 #12115
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Found a way around it, made sure it was non ARS and signalled it to the end of platform 10 so got that sorted!
Still, I've just finished the 1993 timetable and despite some hairy moments especially these blasted Class 8s, I've really enjoyed it - am looking forward to seeing NE Scotland,

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Edinburgh 1993 v1.0 timetable 08/10/2019 at 00:28 #120824
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Found an image to illustrate one of the oddities in this timetable, the daytime Motorail with the loco in the middle:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/37280584286/in/album-72157660876929548/

Bill

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