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| Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:03 #27117 | |
lazzer
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I'm playing the new 1977 TT and 1B78 enters the sim at the parcels dock at 02:10. So far as I can see, there are only two routes out on to the DF - a route from 16 to 62 (crossing the Up Engine Line 1), or via the backing out roads and out onto the DF via signal 105. Because both of these routes are classed as "goods lines", I assume that the wrong route phone call I received from the driver was inevitable with the train being a class 1 train, and that the only solution is to tell the driver to accept the route onto the goods line? I tried both routes and received a wrong route phone call both times. Did I miss a secret, invisible non-goods route, or is this always going to happen with class 1 trains coming out of the parcels dock? {moved to TT section, as more related to TT rather than simulation-mod} Last edited: 11/01/2012 at 21:09 by AndyG Log in to reply |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:10 #27119 | |
jc92
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may need "use goods line speeds" ticked to accept the route
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| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:14 #27120 | |
Steamer
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This will always happen for class 1 trains, unfortunatley, unless 'use freight line speeds' is ticked. This is unlikely, since the train will be a Mail train and will be timetabled to run at passenger speeds.
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| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:17 #27121 | |
Stephen Fulcher
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Using this option on Euston should not pose too much of a problem as the line speed in the Euston PSB area is fairly slow anyway, and the area of control is too short for the train to cause too much, if any, chaos before it leaves the sim at Willesden Junction.
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| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:19 #27122 | |
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jc92
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id be interested to see if it occurs for a class 3 train 
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| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:22 #27123 | |
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Steamer
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Out of interest, when and why did Class 3 go out of fashion for mail trains?
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| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:27 #27124 | |
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jc92
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class 3 is parcels, postal mail etc however most "priority" newspaper, postal and mail trains were assigned class 1 to emphasise their importance (i beleive the customer had to pay more for this luxury though) and eventually the lower level parcels trains went out of use til we were only left with class 1 postals in 2004 "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Steamer |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:27 #27125 | |
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lazzer
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" said:Out of interest, when and why did Class 3 go out of fashion for mail trains?When they got rid of mail trains? :dry: And what is this "use goods line speeds" thing that was mentioned? It's not something I should have ticked when I opened the TT is it? Last edited: 11/01/2012 at 21:27 by lazzer Log in to reply |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:31 #27126 | |
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Steamer
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" said:And what is this "use goods line speeds" thing that was mentioned? It's not something I should have ticked when I opened the TT is it?No, it's something in the Timetable Editor. " said: When they got rid of mail trains?There's less than there used to be, true, but there's a few trains each day between Dalham (Warrington), Shieldmuir (Near Glasgow) and Willesden (London) worked by Class 325s (normally 3 coupled together, making them 12 coaches long) that I know of. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:34 #27127 | |
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jc92
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the RM do still use postals (operated by GBRF now) to replace planes when issues arise with air travel. last years ash cloud saw all the 325s in service to replace air travel.
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| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:35 #27128 | |
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AndyG
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" said:Out of interest, when and why did Class 3 go out of fashion for mail trains? post #19 from Postal on this thread: "Most of the trains like that were trains running for Mail traffic. Because of the requirements of the Royal Mail indoor operation, nearly every mail train is carrying time critical traffic at some part of its journey so time keeping throughout the journey is important. For that reason, in the late 1980's, Royal Mail negotiated a premium with the railway to have nearly all of their trains run as Class 1 (and be regulated accordingly)." I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 11/01/2012 at 21:37 by AndyG Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Steamer, postal |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:42 #27129 | |
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jc92
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on another note, should this go on the bug board as something to be altered? would make sense that the PD will see both class 1 and 3 trains?
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| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:49 #27130 | |
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lazzer
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" said:" said:And what is this "use goods line speeds" thing that was mentioned? It's not something I should have ticked when I opened the TT is it?No, it's something in the Timetable Editor. So if I were to go into the TT editor and click that box for all class 1 trains which enter at the parcels dock, the problem may be solved? Last edited: 11/01/2012 at 21:50 by lazzer Log in to reply |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:51 #27131 | |
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jc92
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hopefully
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| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 21:58 #27132 | |
postal
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" said:the RM do still use postals (operated by GBRF now) to replace planes when issues arise with air travel. last years ash cloud saw all the 325s in service to replace air travel. On 1st. June 2010 it went back to DB Schenker - from what I gather, they undercut the GBRf price. Pity DB didn't take EWS over sooner; if EWS had had the same commercial sense in 2000/2001 it is quite likely that the major switch of RM business from rail to road between 2002 and 2004 would not have taken place. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 11/01/2012 at 22:00 by postal Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jc92 |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 23:32 #27134 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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Part of the trouble though is that this country has over the last fifty or sixty years become road mad - the vast majority of large organisations, and the British Government, are not happy unless they have large fleets of lorries cluttering up the motorways. The railways may not have helped themselves in some ways with this, but I am sure that commercially it would be far more viable to transport goods by rail than many people would have the general public believe, and that it is often not considered seriously. Log in to reply |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 11/01/2012 at 23:49 #27135 | |
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postal
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" said:The railways may not have helped themselves in some ways with this, but I am sure that commercially it would be far more viable to transport goods by rail than many people would have the general public believe, and that it is often not considered seriously.Unfortunately I don't think that was the case in 2000/2001. I wasn't personally involved with the project, but I believe that the Royal Mail Business Case indicated savings from moving from rail to road which were into the tens of millions per annum. There is indeed a case to be made for moving from road to rail (otherwise hard-nosed operators like Tesco and Stobart wouldn't be involved). However, apart from the financial implications, one of the contributory factors to RM moving off rail was the total shut down of the overnight WCML for years on end while the PUG took place. I presume that all of the numbers that the anti-HS2 brigade are putting together proving the viability of an upgrade to the existing infrastructure rather than developing a new route are factoring in the loss of business that their proposals would inevitably cause. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 12/01/2012 at 00:37 #27136 | |
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BoxBoyKit
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All Freight should be moved to the railways..where possible obviously...imo. A favourite quote of mine on the matteris, "One man is about to take 150 lorry loads through the centre of Southampton in the middle of the rush hour with out inconveniencing anyone on their way to work." Doubt it's the exact quote, but you get the idea. Concerned an 1/4 mile long train of oil tankers. Sums the situation up perfectly I think, except for finances.. Log in to reply |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 12/01/2012 at 01:07 #27139 | |
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postal
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" said:All Freight should be moved to the railways..where possible obviously...imo.In a sensible world you are quite right. However, if you believe the operators of the railway the infrastructure is already having capacity problems. And the trouble with putting 150 lorry loads (and as the standard artic pulls a trailer of 40 to 44 feet long in the UK, that would be a train over 1 mile long!) onto the rail is that the pathing for that takes the paths for 3 or 4 passenger trains out. The major problem facing the railways over the next few years is going to be capacity. I am speaking from memory rather than having accurate data, but I think I read not too long ago that doubling the amount of freight traffic on rail would reduce road traffic by 3%. Even if I am out by 2 or 3 times, it would still only scratch the surface of the amount carried by road - and the current infrastructure could certainly not handle a doubling of freight. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 12/01/2012 at 06:44 #27147 | |
Peter Bennet
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Whatever happened to the "Great Central" plans? Just came to me this moment that I knew someone who was involved in a project to reopen the GC as a freight line. That was 15 or so years ago. I vaguely recall it got as far as a Parliamentary Bill Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 12/01/2012 at 06:45 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply |
| Re: Class 1 trains entering at the parcels dock 12/01/2012 at 09:39 #27156 | |
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postal
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Faced exactly the same local opposition problems as HS2 now does and the private promoters couldn't afford the time and money to take up that battle.
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