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Routing Problems 06/03/2012 at 18:41 #30405
Quizman
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Doing a new timetable (1980s version) and having problems with timetable acceptance on a few routes namely:-
1. Horton SB > Wrawby Jcn > Barnetby WJ63rev) and/or > Down Sidings
2. Barnetby BE27 > Down Sidings
3. West Burton Cripple Sidings towards Clarborough. Trains go in OK via GF83 but using the reverse same locations for train to come out brings up timetable error.

Any assistance appreciated.
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Re: Routing Problems 06/03/2012 at 22:02 #30411
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" said:
Doing a new timetable (1980s version) and having problems with timetable acceptance on a few routes namely:-
1. Horton SB > Wrawby Jcn > Barnetby WJ63rev) and/or > Down Sidings

.......At present there is no reversing location at WJ63 (Ask Chris nicely!!). The Down sidings are beyond the ground frame and are, as yet, not in the sim. The sidings above the Up Goods (BE33/BE34) are the reception sidings (Route Holton - wrawby - barnetby recep Sdgs)
" said:

2. Barnetby BE27 > Down Sidings

......Refer to point 1
" said:

3. West Burton Cripple Sidings towards Clarborough. Trains go in OK via GF83 but using the reverse same locations for train to come out brings up timetable error.

.......Paths into/out of cripple sidings not yet completed

Hope that helps

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Last edited: 06/03/2012 at 22:03 by Noisynoel
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Re: Routing Problems 06/03/2012 at 22:27 #30413
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Thanks Noel for answering those....

'80's mode for South Humberside is on the back burner while I sort out modern mode first. Horton currently isn't included as a location so you may need to use Holton-le-Moor as the entry point instead with appropriately adjusted timings. However, if someone can Mantis that, I can make sure Horton gets added for '80's mode.

The Down sidings and Up sidings GF's are both be operational in the update though in modern mode, the Up sidings GF has little affect as its actually disconnected.
WJ63 is already included as reversing point with appropriate paths in the update as is the route from BE27 to Down sidings.

As Noel said, the Cripples siding in the current version are not usable. The code in the update for this art an advanced stage and testing is on-going as we speak. The cripples sidings will be operational when it is finally released.

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Re: Routing Problems 07/03/2012 at 15:00 #30435
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Thanks guys, just wanted to check to make sure it was the sim and not me being brain dead :lol:
The WTT I have has had to be severely adjusted to take into account layout changes since 1971 not least the single line from Cleethorpes! I shall persevere with the timetable doing adjustments as a v.1 and if really inspired keep the original as a further version when the update is available. No, I'm not going to ask the obvious, like the timetable - it will be ready when it's ready.
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Re: Routing Problems 07/03/2012 at 15:09 #30437
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i thought the grimsby- cleethorpes line was singled in 1985 when all the boxes on that section closed and pasture street recieved pt.1 of its NX panel, not 1971
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Re: Routing Problems 07/03/2012 at 17:16 #30446
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Your right jc92 the line was singled in 1985
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Re: Routing Problems 07/03/2012 at 17:18 #30448
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I think you'll find (And please correct me if I am - after all the missus does frequently), that the refernce to 1971 is the date that the TT is being created for, not the date that the line was singled.
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Re: Routing Problems 07/03/2012 at 19:19 #30453
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" said:
I think you'll find (And please correct me if I am - after all the missus does frequently), that the refernce to 1971 is the date that the TT is being created for, not the date that the line was singled.
Absolutely spot on Holmes

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Re: Routing Problems 09/03/2012 at 16:47 #30499
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Horton SB - that's not on my list for Lincolnshire. I have Howsham SB up to 1989, when it, Claxby and Moortown closed and the block section was extended between Wrawby Jn and Holton le Moor.

If it's Howsham you're thinking of Quizman, then for note Chris - it's known about (we've had numberous discussions)!

God bless, Daniel Wilson
Last edited: 09/03/2012 at 16:56 by onlydjw
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Re: Routing Problems 09/03/2012 at 19:33 #30504
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My typo - sorry meant Holton le Moor
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Re: Routing Problems 05/04/2012 at 19:25 #31275
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Have another routing problem which is driving me mad. Whats the correct routing for down trips i.e. from Appleby into Frodingham Depot? Have tried direct, indirect and by reversing at various signals to no avail. Is this one of the routing bugs or is it me? Probably the latter but you never know
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Re: Routing Problems 05/04/2012 at 22:22 #31280
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" said:
Have another routing problem which is driving me mad. Whats the correct routing for down trips i.e. from Appleby into Frodingham Depot? Have tried direct, indirect and by reversing at various signals to no avail. Is this one of the routing bugs or is it me? Probably the latter but you never know :unsure:
No bug! Route train on Down Main to Sig S45 on Up GDS LP, then into Frodingham Depot. Note, Scunthorpe FD is GOODS YARD. To get to this yard, route from Sig S45 or Sig S341(DM) to ► in goods yard.

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Re: Routing Problems 05/04/2012 at 23:16 #31282
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/quote: Route train on Down Main to Sig S45 on Up GDS LP, then into Frodingham Depot. /unquote

errr nope. Validation fails 'path not found from Appleyby to S45(rev).

Last edited: 05/04/2012 at 23:17 by Quizman
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Re: Routing Problems 05/04/2012 at 23:19 #31283
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[quote= Route train on Down Main to Sig S45 on Up GDS LP, then into Frodingham Depot.

Barry[/quote]

errrr nope. Validation fails 'path not found from Appleby to S45(rev)'

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Re: Routing Problems 06/04/2012 at 03:45 #31285
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[quote= Route train on Down Main to Sig S45 on Up GDS LP, then into Frodingham Depot.

Barry
errrr nope. Validation fails 'path not found from Appleby to S45(rev)'
:([/quote]

You have me confused! What are you trying to do? Create a timetable?

Here is the timetable that does validate'

BARNETBY --:-- 00/00 P3 FL
WRAWBY JN --:-- 00/00 FL
ELSHAM --:-- 00/00
APPLEBY LC --:-- 00/00
TRENT JN --:-- 00/00
SCUNTHORPE FD --:-- 00/00 or Frodingham Depot

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Last edited: 06/04/2012 at 03:51 by BarryM
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Re: Routing Problems 06/04/2012 at 13:13 #31298
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Sorry old fruit but that does not work for Frodingham Depot. Yes its OK for FD. As I said above it seems that any routing to Frodingham by direct or indirect means just refuses to validate.
Steve

Edit - there are no problems routing from s45 to Frodingham e.g. light engine shunt from Up Goods Loop its just trains approaching from Appleby direction.

Last edited: 06/04/2012 at 14:07 by Quizman
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Re: Routing Problems 06/04/2012 at 21:54 #31338
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" said:
Barry
Sorry old fruit but that does not work for Frodingham Depot. Yes its OK for FD. As I said above it seems that any routing to Frodingham by direct or indirect means just refuses to validate.
Steve

Edit - there are no problems routing from s45 to Frodingham e.g. light engine shunt from Up Goods Loop its just trains approaching from Appleby direction.
Steve,
Sorry you do get the validation error for the Depot. However, if you cancel the Error, the timetable will be saved. Note, this only applies to using the F4 function.
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Re: Routing Problems 07/04/2012 at 09:17 #31341
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Steve,
Sorry you do get the validation error for the Depot. However, if you cancel the Error, the timetable will be saved. Note, this only applies to using the F4 function.
Barry
The TT will save, but I don't think the train will enter since it has invalid timetable data- it will appear red if you run a TT analysis.

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Re: Routing Problems 07/04/2012 at 14:44 #31352
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" said:
" said:

Steve,
Sorry you do get the validation error for the Depot. However, if you cancel the Error, the timetable will be saved. Note, this only applies to using the F4 function.
Barry
The TT will save, but I don't think the train will enter since it has invalid timetable data- it will appear red if you run a TT analysis.
Absolutely correct.

The only way to accomplish this move as far as I can make out is to send loco to Scunthorpe P2 and reverse back to s45 and thence to Frodingham. Bit of a long winded way of doing things but that is the only one that validates, unless of course someone knows different........

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Re: Routing Problems 10/04/2012 at 08:43 #31441
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This was one of the known issues (or series of issues) with pathing and routing around the Scunthorpe area, and has been fixed for the future release. Various people have given the suggested work arounds, which are a little laborious, but are what we suggest for the current release version of the sim.
God bless, Daniel Wilson
Last edited: 10/04/2012 at 08:46 by onlydjw
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Re: Routing Problems 24/04/2012 at 08:44 #31750
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Horton SB - that's not on my list for Lincolnshire. I have Howsham SB up to 1989, when it, Claxby and Moortown closed and the block section was extended between Wrawby Jn and Holton le Moor.

If it's Howsham you're thinking of Quizman, then for note Chris - it's known about (we've had numberous discussions)!

Indeed "Horton" does not exist in the local area. However, in that list of signalboxes North Kelsey has been missed out. During my time working on the footplate in North Lincolnshire/South Humberside the Lincoln route signalboxes were Howsham, North Kelsey, Moortown, Holton-le-Moor, Claxby, Market Rasen, Wickenby, Snelland, Stainton (gate-box only - not a block post), Langworth, Reepham, Monks Abbey and Lincoln Pelham St. Market Rasen was the first signalbox to go - even before the resignalling took place.

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