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Cambridge 1985 v7.21 12/10/2009 at 16:52 #31
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Originally submitted by Kurtds.

Compatible with Kings Cross and Peterborough.

"Always forgive your enemies -- nothing annoys them so much" - Oscar Wilde (16/10/1854 – 30/11/1900), Irish poet and playwright.
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Cambridge 1985 v7.21 12/10/2009 at 16:52 #3507
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Originally submitted by Kurtds.

Compatible with Kings Cross and Peterborough.

"Always forgive your enemies -- nothing annoys them so much" - Oscar Wilde (16/10/1854 – 30/11/1900), Irish poet and playwright.
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Cambridge 1985 v7.21 13/10/2009 at 19:40 #3618
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Broodje
Area signalling manager
Username: Broodje

Post Number: 311
Registered: 8-2004

Posted on Sunday, 16 April, 2006 - 04:45 pm:

wow :o.... heh this timetable has more trains in it as some KingX timetables... In fact it is 0:15 now and I already handled 15(!) trains. This is a realy good multiplayer timetable, I really like the addition of fueling and washing the trains. but it can give you troubles already from 0:00 hour onwards :P.

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Ray
Crossing box keeper
Username: Ray

Post Number: 11
Registered: 5-2005

Posted on Sunday, 16 April, 2006 - 07:33 pm:

The location notes for this timetable seem to suggest that the signal controller has some discretion about moving stock from fuel to washing and then to parking. But how can this be, if the stock disappears from the train list on entry to these locations ? Also, for such a complex timetable, its a pity it cant be saved. If I feel I am getting into a snarl, I like to return to a previously saved position and correct moves.

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 107
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Sunday, 16 April, 2006 - 07:50 pm:

The 'disappearing' train into siding 6 or COldham "bidi" should reappear after 15 minutes. (5E082 becomes 5E083 for example.) This is governed by the rules, and it's by saving a game that the rules mess up, and you get the same stock twice.
Unfortunately it would be too complex to arrange it so you have a choice over whether to fuel or wash first. If you decide to reverse the order, you may have a situation where the stock goes in one siding and comes out another!
But where you have discretion is which to deal with first, and organising the various stock around the sidings.
In addition, you should not take the siding allocation too literally. You may find stock scheduled to use the arrival siding at the same time, for example. As controller, you have to decide how to handle that.
Part of the fun though, is getting in a mess and then trying to get out of it. Remember you can edit 'live' timetables, if you need a train to go somewhere it's not expecting.

(Message edited by Kurtds on April 16, 2006)

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Kurtds
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Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 108
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Sunday, 16 April, 2006 - 07:58 pm:

AMENDMENT TO NOTES

Please note, that on starting a new simulation, you must put a reminder on siding 6 and Coldham "bidi", as both contain trains. In fact the former contains 3 trains. This is a break in the one train rule, but when you will get to the other end of the day, you will find 2 of these trains knocking about outside waiting their turn.
0H42 is in Coldham, and 5H85, 5E08 and 5H44 are in CS6.

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Broodje
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Username: Broodje

Post Number: 312
Registered: 8-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 12:37 am:

kurt I have some trouble getting trains (or actually locs) out of coldham BIDI when they are late running.
0H483 and 0H012 both never came from the tanking plate. Would it help if their entry time was --:--? (thus no entry time) I have a feeling they won't appear anymore if they enter BIDI after their next working entry time has been.

it is 7:29 by the way and I haven't seen any timetable errors yet.... which I didn't expect for such a complicated timetable. I'm realy enjoying it thanks again.

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Greatkingrat
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Username: Greatkingrat

Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2005

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 01:43 am:

The trains that are supposed to reverse south of Cambridge do not reverse correctly. You need to use the location Camb. S (CA147 DL) rather than Cambridge South Junction.

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Tangara
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Username: Tangara

Post Number: 52
Registered: 1-2005

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 04:38 am:

Trains reversing using South of Cambridge location reverse at sig 647 on the Up Line (UL).

Barry

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 109
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 08:50 am:

Broodje, I've not experienced problems with late running trains not appearing myself. I have also done a thorough rules test by delaying trains to make sure they work, and they did, even if entering past their reappearance time. Note, though, that if you're running a game with delay set, each reentry may be subject to a delay as well

Greatkingrat, plese read the 1985 document, as tangara points out these trains reverse on the up main. Tangara 4:30am ?? Keen! :-)

Kurt

(Message edited by Kurtds on April 17, 2006)

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Moonraker
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Username: Moonraker

Post Number: 295
Registered: 10-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 08:53 am:

But that's the point. They don't. You have to do it manually. I noticed this too. If you use the Down loop they will reverse automatically.

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 110
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 09:14 am:

Moonraker, I've not had any trouble reversing trains on the up main, setting the route to signal 148 then back using signal 647. They change direction without any intervention.
5H821 is the first train that reverses there, if you're still having problens, can you send me a saved game with that or any other train that reverses at Cambridge South Jn.

Kurt

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Moonraker
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Username: Moonraker

Post Number: 296
Registered: 10-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 09:24 am:

Ah hang on. No it's me D'oh !!. I sent them to the Down Main. Sorry Kurt

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 111
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 10:50 am:

No worries.
I will make it clearer in the notes, though, as well as mentioning that if the controller needs to reverse at a different location, they will need to edit the live timetable.

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Broodje
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Username: Broodje

Post Number: 313
Registered: 8-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 11:02 am:

kurtds about the trains that don't re-apear: it is over 6 hours after the train should be back so I don't think it will re-apear :-). I spoke to coco-banana yesterday evening and he had exactly the same problem with 0H48* (he send it in the depot 45 minutes to late)

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 112
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 12:01 pm:

OK. Simple reason for 0H483, is that it's rule is wrong. 0H483 should appear after 0H481 not 0H482. If you delete the rule, 0H483 will instantly appear. (Changing the rule will only work before 0H481 leaves.)

I programmed 0H481 before deciding to split freight trains, which is why 0H482 appears first.

Sorry about that.

The rule for 0H01 is right though.

Also, in the game I'm running, 8H48 was late entering the yard, after the entry time for connected service 0H481. The latter did appear later on though.

Please also note, if you change the timetable, and save it, the rules will not work properly in a new game unless you use Clive's convdata program to clean it first.

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Broodje
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Username: Broodje

Post Number: 314
Registered: 8-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 09:34 pm:

I think there is something wrong with 7r331. At 11:40 0R33 appears to pick up a train in the barwell sidings it should join 7R33 which doesn't exist. So I think 7R331 should have a join command for 0R33.

/edit:
you can forget all of the above: you can't join at barwell, 0R33 keeps waiting forever on the junction trying to enter the siding. The better solution for now is to delete 0R33 (I think)
/another edit:
6H873 has no exit point, stansed north junction is missing in the timetable, audley end is the final location now

(Message edited by broodje on April 17, 2006)

(Message edited by broodje on April 17, 2006)

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Broodje
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Username: Broodje

Post Number: 315
Registered: 8-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 10:20 pm:

lol I spoke to soon again... the 6H873 goes over in 6H874, but I missed it and the 'name' was still wrong while the new route was already gone from the pop up. Anyway doesn't realy matter I just didn't pay atention... but(!) 6H874 will complain about the route towards 'wittlesford' from 'whittlesford north reverse'. I had to abandon timetable to get it towards whittlesford.

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Noisynoel
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Username: Noisynoel

Post Number: 116
Registered: 5-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 11:00 pm:

RE 7R33 at Barnwell, U just checked back, the loco was never detached from the train, so there is no reason to run 0R33.

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 114
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Monday, 17 April, 2006 - 11:45 pm:

Ah, OR33 will be used in version 4. It didn't work in version 3 so the loco remains with the train, but the reason for this has been sorted now. (Length problem)

The 6H87 problem is due to a validation problem, which Clive is aware of.

Try this temporary fix:

For 6H873:

Whittesford N (Rev) Arr 11:56 Dep 11:58
Whittesford Arr 12:00 (Not passing time) Next Train 6H875

Then change the rule so 6H873 (in place of 6H874) must not depart ... ...6H873 arrives at Whittesford N (Rev)

6H874 then becomes redundant.

However, you still need to manually reverse the train at Whittesford North, so recommend you use the up rather than down line.

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Noisynoel
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Username: Noisynoel

Post Number: 117
Registered: 5-2004

Posted on Tuesday, 18 April, 2006 - 12:00 am:

I just changed 6H874 to 6H875 when it called up with the wrong route on the up main.

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Tangara
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Username: Tangara

Post Number: 53
Registered: 1-2005

Posted on Tuesday, 18 April, 2006 - 10:34 am:

Kurt,

4:30am! add 10 hours for my time.

Barry

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Broodje
Area signalling manager
Username: Broodje

Post Number: 316
Registered: 8-2004

Posted on Tuesday, 18 April, 2006 - 11:18 am:

maybe 1H18 and 2B981 (was 2H89) should be swapped at cambridge: They both leave at 13:12 and can't cross trough each other. If 2b981 would leave from #1 and 1H18 from #4 this wouldn't be a problem.

/edit
7R332 has a "join 8R33" command after splitting 0R332, but it just joined 8R33, when it still was 7R331, so I think that join command should be removed.

(Message edited by broodje on April 18, 2006)

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 115
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Tuesday, 18 April, 2006 - 07:41 pm:

1H18 and 2B981 do indeed conflict. It's not as as simple as swapping around, because there are then knock on effects. 2B981 can't use platform 1 because another train occupies it when it arrives.

In the amended Cambridge that will come out, hopefully, the ability to tell a schedule a train to move from platform 4 to 1 will be allowed, then 2B981 will move once 1C82 has left, allowing 1H18 to use platform 4.

Don't worry too much about 7R33, it's treated differently in version 4. It is one of the number of trains that are formed from more than 2 parts, as well as it's loco leaving the tanks whilst it gets serviced.
The problems arise because it was a late amendment to make the loco stay with the train, and I was tired.

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Broodje
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Username: Broodje

Post Number: 317
Registered: 8-2004

Posted on Tuesday, 18 April, 2006 - 10:36 pm:

I have finished the timetable and realy enjoyed it. I had a huge list of freight trains waiting for cambridge TC while a bunch of pasenger trains wanted washing after the rush hour so I some points there :o. It can get rather complicated when freight is early or late running and need to be splitted or needs vans atached at cambridge :-).

At the end of the timetable 3 trains never came back from BIDI: 0H483, 0H012 and 0H325. I already mentioned the first two in another post.

I fear I can't simsig for a week now my brain has melted, but it was worth it :P

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 116
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Wednesday, 19 April, 2006 - 08:20 am:

0H483 has been fixed.

0H325 won't appear in v3, because it's the same loco that is not detached from Barnwell Jn.

0H012, I know now why this didn't appear, its because 0H011 doesn't register passing Cambridge South Jn, so when it arrives in Coldham, SimSig still thinks its waiting to pass Cambridge South.
Delete the timing point for Cambridge South Jn, 0H011 will then work properly and so should 0H012.

As a temporary fix, delete all entries of Cambridge South Jn where Cambridge is the next timing point for trains from Sheprerh. Cambridge TC as next timing point is OK, as are trains which reverse at Cambridge South Jn.

Alternatively, you need to manually edit the timetable and set the next location if a train has passed Cambridge South Jn.

Thanks for the reports of problems, please keep them coming.

No Simsig for a week? Not interested in the next 85 timetable I am releasing tonight then?

Kurt

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Longdog
Area signalling manager
Username: Longdog

Post Number: 118
Registered: 3-2005

Posted on Wednesday, 19 April, 2006 - 11:56 pm:

Oddity. Not sure if it is a timetable error or Simsig error.
5H44 came out of sdg6 signalled to Headshunt. It was too long for Headshunt, so train reversed under it's own authority back into sdg6, track circuits 'flooding' as they would with no route set!

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 123
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Thursday, 20 April, 2006 - 12:39 am:

Although listed as 220m, the headshunts practical length in Simsig is less that this and of the 218m needed for a 10 car train , which is why they are down in the timetable as using the arrival siding instead.

The TC flooding is a correct effect of a 'runaway' train.

I do not know whether the length error is in Simsig or the manual.

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Clive
Board Administrator
Username: Clive

Post Number: 2041
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Thursday, 20 April, 2006 - 01:45 pm:

Google Earth reckons that the headshunt is actually 260m long, so I'll adjust that. However, remember that you need to allow a few metres for the driver to make sure he's clear of the signal - SimSig uses 10m (reduced to 5m in any version issued after today).

I've suggested before to Geoff that he adds a "shunt forward to signal" activity for these situations.

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Bartekpl
Tea maker
Username: Bartekpl

Post Number: 1
Registered: 4-2006

Posted on Friday, 21 April, 2006 - 07:10 am:

Hi! I think, that the new "Cambridge 1985" timetable is very interesting, but by many trains I get the information "Timetable rules in force" (f.ex. Royston trains or freight trains passing Cambridge 6H322). What should I do?

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Tangara
Supervisor
Username: Tangara

Post Number: 56
Registered: 1-2005

Posted on Friday, 21 April, 2006 - 08:03 am:

Bartekpl, just let the program run.

The timetable rule for 6H322 requires the train to wait at Cambridge for 70 minutes. If it is 30 minutes late arriving at Cambridge, it should leave Cambridge 30 minutes late.

Timetable Rules can be found in the "Timetable List" (F4). Click on Rules then select the train (6H322).If you cannot see the complete message, use your mouse to enlarge the window.

Barry M

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Bartekpl
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Username: Bartekpl

Post Number: 2
Registered: 4-2006

Posted on Friday, 21 April, 2006 - 10:04 am:

Thanks, Tangara for the information, but I have the problems with other trains too (with 6xxx descriptions). They arrive at Cambringe earlier and when they stop, I recive the message "Timetable rules in force". Dividing or joing for thist trains is impossible. I try to abadon the timetable and then to order "run to another timetable", but it doesn't work. Sorry - I don't speak/write English very well, because I'm from Poland.

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Tangara
Supervisor
Username: Tangara

Post Number: 58
Registered: 1-2005

Posted on Friday, 21 April, 2006 - 12:07 pm:

Bartekpl, sorry I don't speak Polish. Do not worry about Timetable rule in force. It is there to give the driver a rest or waiting for another train to join. Don't abandon timetable. Dividing or joining is controlled by the timetable. Just run by the timetable.

Barry M

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Flymo
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Username: Flymo

Post Number: 32
Registered: 3-2005

Posted on Friday, 21 April, 2006 - 01:54 pm:

The "Timetable rule in force" simply means the train is obeying the rule listed in the timetable. Generally this will mean not departing until 40, 50 or 60 mins or so after it arrives or in the case of passenger trains at Royston, one train will not depart until x number of minutes after a connecting service arrives.
Don't worry, when the rule has expired the train will depart and continue on it's way, this instruction is there to tell you not to do anything, just wait and it will eventually carry on.

Derek

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Viceroy
Crossing box keeper
Username: Viceroy

Post Number: 14
Registered: 2-2005

Posted on Friday, 21 April, 2006 - 06:42 pm:

Kurt
firstly great sim cam85.
fixed a few problems upto 06.00 but after 6h32 entered(3 times as 1.2.3) something kept entering stansted as i had all xxxx in 6-7 places checked timetable nothing due till 7.40
cancelled play reopened sim and same happened again no new listings in trains in area so not sure what this is although on second start up did have a red bar as thou as train in section but no listing?
could a tricky one for you

graham
graham

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Gonzo
Supervisor
Username: Gonzo

Post Number: 98
Registered: 5-2004

Posted on Friday, 21 April, 2006 - 08:31 pm:

Cant see it posted, just a platform error at Royston.
2B941 arrives in p1 and forms 2H87, 2H87 shows p2.

Notice posted on door of BR Recruitment Centre at London Bridge many years ago.....
"Sorry - Closed due to staff shortages!"

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 125
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Friday, 21 April, 2006 - 09:03 pm:

Tangara. Dobry wieczor. Robi wy mowicie bulgarski? So long as you have been running the program continuously since the start (pausing is OK), the trains should run in a order. An arriving train will trigger a new train to join, but that train may not appear straight away. I receommend waiting and seeing what happens. There are some errors, but apart from those already mentioned above. Nobody has reported problems with any others. (Watch them flood in now! :-))

Viceroy. The 3 occurances of 6H32 is a deliberate error. I couldn't bring myself to restrict it so only one runs, especially as one is the only train that uses Barnwell. Its an otherwise quiet time of day, so personally I don't think it's a problem. If the delay slider is above minimum, they could arrive +/- hour anyway, but what do others feel?

I've not experienced the other problem. If you get it again, please save and send me a copy, and I see if I can shed any light.

Gonzo, thanks for the report. 2H87 should probably be P1, it'll be the same platform as the London 'express'.

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Flymo
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Username: Flymo

Post Number: 33
Registered: 3-2005

Posted on Saturday, 22 April, 2006 - 12:33 am:

The xxxx at Stansted might be the early terminator at Audley End 5C723 which enters from Stansted N. about 0635. It should cross to platform 1 at Audley End and form 2C72 back toward Stansted N departing 0650. The first time I tried the timetable I automatically signalled 5C723 through P2 thinking it was heading towards Cambridge and then it reversed itself back up the line towards Stansted showing xxxx. Thiscould be what has happened to you also.
That taught me to always check the pop up timetable to see where they are going... Assumption is the mother etc.....

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Longdog
Area signalling manager
Username: Longdog

Post Number: 119
Registered: 3-2005

Posted on Saturday, 22 April, 2006 - 08:14 am:

I had the occurrence of three 6H32 arrive. This would probably never happen in real life. In a freight timetable, it may well show a Freight Train with the same number running to different patterns, but only on specific days, not all on the same day. They should be allocated different numbers.

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 126
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Saturday, 22 April, 2006 - 12:20 pm:

See above, the timetables for 6H32 are mutually exclusive, but I've deliberately left out the rules to make them all run.

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Viceroy
Crossing box keeper
Username: Viceroy

Post Number: 15
Registered: 2-2005

Posted on Saturday, 22 April, 2006 - 06:37 pm:

Kurt/team
thanks for replys yes i re ran and it was the return 2c72 that caused the problem ( i left it green at a/end and problem occured(sneeky) missed that return work from a/end

thanks again kurt
and gang

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58050
Signaller
Username: 58050

Post Number: 42
Registered: 10-2005

Posted on Saturday, 22 April, 2006 - 10:47 pm:

Kurt, I'm working my way through the Cambridge 1985 TT. I notice that there are no traction details for the freight services. Not sure whether this was deliberate or whether the information was lacking. I could let you know what traction was used to work the majority of the services as I spent alot of time around March from 1986 onwards. There were 3 pairs of Cl.20's stabled at March TMD during this period. One pair used to cover the engineers trip working, the other pairs were used on the Foxton coal & either the Barham or Kennett stone portions from March yard. 6H85 to Duxford & 6E16 return was predominately a Cl.37 turn. If you a more comprehensive list let know, otherwise spot on. Keep em coming..

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 131
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Monday, 24 April, 2006 - 08:55 am:

I've only got details of loco passenger workings, and the obvious connected ECS workings, so any information on the other freight and mail services as well as DMUs would be appreciated. I've obtained a stockbook from 1986 which only shows 31s and 37s at March. The same at Stratford plus 47s. Norwich had class 105 DMUs allocated. These had first class but I cant' deduce where they were used, as all the local services in that area are 2nd class only. There were some 'disappearing' DMUs at Ely that I've had to attach to other train s to get rid. More info definitely appreciated. Please email me direct for further details

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58050
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Username: 58050

Post Number: 43
Registered: 10-2005

Posted on Monday, 24 April, 2006 - 05:50 pm:

OK Kurt I'll see what I can do. Got a problem with my e-mail programme at the moment, but hopefully will be sorted this week. I can tell you that the Fulbourne & Royston trips from whitemoor were predominately worked by Cl.31's. The engineers trip from Cambridge - Whitemoor & return, which called at Chesterton Junction was also a Cl.31 fill in turn & more often than not it produced a Cl.31/4 at that. I know the Foxton coal came from Thoresby Colliery, but certainly from 1986 onwards it was a pair of Cl.20's l/d March TMD - King's Lynn & then worked King's Lynn - Foxton loaded & return empties, then l/d back to March via Ely North Curve, also worth noting is that the wagons on this flow were all HDA's which had a max speed of 60MPH loaded as well as empty as opposed to the HAA's which were 45MPH loaded & 55MPH empty. The Middleton Towers sand train was a pair of Cl.31's, but I have got a photograph somewhere of a Cl.47 on it. Cl.56's worked the stone train to Trowse. I'll get a comprehensive list together & send it to you as sonn as I get this e-mail problem sorted

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Pilotman
Area signalling manager
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Post Number: 248
Registered: 2-2005

Posted on Monday, 24 April, 2006 - 06:01 pm:

Longdog: Re your 19/4 posting: See elsewhere in the forum (Westbury) for a discussion on trains reversing without authority. Basically if the train stops with part of its consist outside a signal, then if its next move is in that direction off it goes. Geoff and I agreed that although this is undesirable, it is very hard to prevent, because we don't have a Simdriver to walk back and have a look a the aspect, and phone for authorisation if necessary. The alternative is to adjust the TT and clear the forward signal so the train goes fwd. far enough to clear the signal in rear.
Ray

(Message edited by pilotman on April 24, 2006)

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Broodje
Area signalling manager
Username: Broodje

Post Number: 366
Registered: 8-2004

Posted on Friday, 12 May, 2006 - 11:29 am:

kurtds could you please make the fright loco's that fuel at bidi re-apear 'un-timed'? I had 8c01 running 1 hour early so 0c012 that fuels at bidi is 45 minutes early. (at 19:15) If I sent it into coldham lane bidi now it will be blocking the tankplate till 20:00 when 0c014 will appear from it. Needles to say I need the space there for other services :-).

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Kurtds
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Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 158
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Saturday, 13 May, 2006 - 02:18 pm:

They can't be untimed because that causes other problems, but can certainly make it earlier.

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58050
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Username: 58050

Post Number: 45
Registered: 10-2005

Posted on Saturday, 20 May, 2006 - 07:31 pm:

Started a fresh game of Cambridge 1985 this afternoon Kurt. Doing well up to about 0830 with a score of 86%. However it all fell apart after that with various trains on the block in & around Ely. Trying now to recover lost time. Now I'm intrigued by 0C01 & 0H03 which run early morning. I'm fairly certain that this move must be a mainline loco dragging a demeshed Cl.08 shunter between works (Stratford/Doncaster)? Shunters with rods still connected can only be dragged by other shunters & they are restricted to 15 MPH. Can you confirm this please.

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 161
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Sunday, 21 May, 2006 - 03:21 pm:

I can't. The working timetable makes no special mention to these two trains, listing them just as a LD between March and Stratford that runs as required on Mondays only.
The times are the actual WTT times, which are too slow for s standard light loco and too fast for a shunter. 25-30 mph was the closest fit to keeping to the schedule. I am treating it as two locos, one of which is disabled in some way.
They are class 0 so can only be one or more coupled locomotives. I can't remember my regulations, so not sure whether a break van attached keeps it as a class 0. Certainly any thing else attached would mean it become a class 6-9.
Any difinitive information would also be appreciated by me, as I am as curious.

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58050
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Username: 58050

Post Number: 46
Registered: 10-2005

Posted on Sunday, 21 May, 2006 - 04:46 pm:

Tricky. If the train is timed at 25MPH then I can oly imagine it to be a mainline loco dragging a demeshed Cl.08 & in that area between Stratford & March can only mean a movement between main works ie Stratford & Doncaster. Also running on Monday morning may mean there is less trafic running than on another weekdaymorning. Speed for LD's are governed not by the linespeed. Where linespeeds re 100PH & above LD's can run at 75MPH however where linespeeds are under 100MPH LD's cn run at 60MPH, the exceptions being if the linspeed is lower than that or the maximum speed of the traction uni is less. Also the maximum number of locos allowed to be coupled rogether is 5 incl. the hauling loco so I can't imagine it being anything else. It can't be an engine being moved on a whelskate as they can onl mved at a maximum speed of 15MPH & 5MPH over points & crossings. A demeshed Cl.08 can be hauled at 25MPH. LD's with brae vans attached tend to run as 9XXX. I wonder if nyone else has any ideas. Working on your Excel document by the way.

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Kurtds
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Posted on Tuesday, 23 May, 2006 - 08:48 am:

As far as I can tell, there is not an onward service beyond March, unless it forms part of a freight service. The services runs to/froms March TMD.

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Tangara
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Registered: 1-2005

Posted on Friday, 06 April, 2007 - 01:16 pm:

Kurt, I noticed that 5C77 empty cars shunt that attaches to 1C771 arrives at Cambridge P1 at 08:12 before 1C771 arrives at 08:15. Are/were you aware of this error? I could not find anything in the threads.

Regards
Barry

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Kurtds
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Post Number: 210
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Wednesday, 11 April, 2007 - 08:27 am:

Hi Barry
You are playing an old version of Cambridge, as 1C77 now runs through without joining/splitting activities.
Currently the timetable is in version 7.0, but its not compatible with the current program version.

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Mickster66
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Registered: 2-2005

Posted on Friday, 27 July, 2007 - 09:28 am:

Congratulations on the new beta issue and taking the chance to align WTTs with Cambridge, Kings Cross and Peterborough simulations. All we need now is a Doncaster sim and we have all the NX style signalboxes on or around the ECML
I have been playing the 1985 scenario on the Cambridge sim. However, I have been coming up with a number of infuriating problems in the first few minutes of the simulation.

1. After detachment from 1H02 the loco (as 0C74) goes to the CS to pick up 3 carriages to add to the return working of 1C74. However, about this time a 5C74 appears in the CS 7/8 siding. What is this? Click the box and it says 3 carriages to add to 1C74. How can this movement take place if the train loco has not yet arrived in the CS to pick up the stock?

2. 6H32 has in the WTT three different schedules but the rules dictate that this is the same train. Yet upon initialisation of the sim a message comes up for all 3 schedules - and all usually dictating a different delay period

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Kurtds
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Post Number: 224
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Saturday, 28 July, 2007 - 12:37 am:

Oops, I meant to have put up the new versions. Will have done so in the next 5 mins

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Tangara
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Username: Tangara

Post Number: 105
Registered: 1-2005

Posted on Saturday, 28 July, 2007 - 05:53 am:

Kurt,

You forgot to put a rule for 5C742 in the 06:00/1985 timetable.

May I suggest that you table 0H63 via 188 and 180 sig. as all roads are blocked in the carriage sidings roads.

Regards
Barry

(Message edited by Tangara on July 28, 2007)

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Kurtds
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Post Number: 231
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Tuesday, 31 July, 2007 - 10:34 pm:

Oops yes, I automatically deleted rules for trains not in existence, forgetting I seeded 1H02. 5C742 needs to appear 10 minutes after 0C741 leaves the area. Well spotted

Conflicts are a deliberate part of the timetable, to challenge the controller to deal with them.

Even with a perfect scenario with no delays, you will find clashes.

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Kurtds
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Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 232
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Tuesday, 31 July, 2007 - 10:37 pm:

The message about delays to all three versions of 6H32 is a general Simsig limitation. Similarly, you will be informed of delays to trains that never arrive, because they only appear x% of time.

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Ccf
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Post Number: 131
Registered: 6-2005

Posted on Wednesday, 01 August, 2007 - 06:30 pm:

Maybe this is already fixed, but I've had cases of an outbound working for one leg of a trip appear at a location before the inbound working from the previous leg has arrived. I forget the headcode (6H8x - which narrows it down to all the trips and then some. Remind me to play through the hell of 7 trains waiting to use the 3 sidings again until I find the right one :-), but the "next" leg was out of Chesterton Jn north end, and the "previous" leg was out of Cambridge.

Good work nonetheless.

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Fotorob
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 7-2006

Posted on Monday, 06 August, 2007 - 06:19 pm:

Hi,

I noted the following in the latest version of this TT (24H):

6Y97 seems to be missing a number of rules. Shunting at Papworth was well underway before arrival of this train.

5C582 was running 50% and had no entry time. It's second Loco 0C852 turned up with no sign of 5C582. I adjusted to run 100% of the time and gave it an entry time. The incoming Loco 0M121 had some interesting timings also, departing 11.25 which I adjusted to 14.25.

Great TT and excellent work, Kurt !

Cheers, Rob

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Kurtds
Area signalling manager
Username: Kurtds

Post Number: 241
Registered: 6-2004

Posted on Friday, 10 August, 2007 - 07:24 pm:

The rules are there. I would suggest 'cleaning' the timetable, as this sort of problem used to happen when you saved the timetable after the trains had run, occasionally some runtime info is saved with the timetable file, causing rules to be ignored the next time the timetable is run.
5C852 may have 50% set as a %, if so long as the run as required box is not ticked, the % will not be applied.
Alternatively, download a fresh version of timetable and remember never to save over it.

"Always forgive your enemies -- nothing annoys them so much" - Oscar Wilde (16/10/1854 – 30/11/1900), Irish poet and playwright.
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Cambridge 1985 v7.21 05/02/2010 at 13:01 #6457
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Is v7.21 the latest version available of the 1985 timetable?
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Cambridge 1985 v7.21 15/01/2011 at 10:43 #13196
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Does anyone have the "Cambridge 1985.doc" that is referred to in the 1985 TT description?
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Cambridge 1985 v7.21 15/01/2011 at 23:45 #13203
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I have the "Cambridge 1985.doc" As I do not "own" the document I am reluctant to upload it here without permission from either the author Kurt or the powers that be.
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Cambridge 1985 v7.21 16/01/2011 at 00:31 #13205
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As an after thought to my previous post the TT is in the downloads section the document will be included in the ZIP file
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Cambridge 1985 v7.21 16/01/2011 at 04:52 #13206
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The document is not included in the current version of the 1985 TT download. My guess is that the document was included in a previous version, which is no longer online, and omitted from the current version.
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