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| Hatfield Landslip Diversion TT 14/03/2013 at 10:23 #42323 | |
onlydjw
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Capacity of the diversionary routes - the Lincoln line is basically 3 per hour for loaded freight - possibly up to 3 and a half for empty ones. Then you have to fit the passenger service in (only one every 2-3 hours), but it still has to be fitted in. The Brigg route is constrained by the single line sections - my contact who lives in Gainsborough next to Gainsborough Central No. 4 Signal tells me he's getting 3-4 per hour most of the time. The plan is written to prioritise loaded trains via Brigg (except those which are running via Newark), and except 6V66 which was found to have been losing time runnign via Brigg due to the gradient between Brigg and Kirton (this now runs via Lincoln, which has less gradients). The rest of the workings are fitted into flights via Brigg, and the excess (basically) via Lincoln. Lincoln is also seeing some of the "one off" workings which don't fit into the regular plan - things like some binliner paths, the Stalybridge tanks etc. Aside from a few issues with driver route knowledge, and some diversions of Lincoln traffic via Brigg due to late running, the plan seems to work, aside from there are regularly queues of trains at barnetby and Gainsborough waiting to be flighted via Brigg. Usually these are done 3 at a time, as any more start tailing back and getting in the way of other traffic! TPX even have a path for swapping their 185's - 5T90 & 5T99. These have only run on Saturdays so far, and one unit is swapped, leaving a second to run the hourly Cleethorpes-Scunthorpe shuttle service. The Northern 153 at Cleethorpes is swapped on the Saturday passenger service via Brigg, as indeed it always was. Siemens are fuelling the unit at Cleethorpes, which did not normally happen. I believe TPX had their application to divert services via Brigg rejected on the basis that all the paths were required for freight. Timetables - I was asked quite some time ago to sort out the timetable for the scenario for Appleby and Elsham being closed. I believe we adjusted this to be based around the Keadby closure a few years ago, and indeed I have some information stored somewhere to put this together one day! However, with the advent of publically available information, and the ongoing closure of (effectively) Thorne Jn, now seems like the time to put something together. I acknowledge Chris Law's start, and I am happy to advise on any rules etc if required. I also advise that on the date chosen, the plan was still rather ad-hoc compared with the last couple of weeks, as things have settled down, and certain things which didn't work have been sorted and ammended. In the first couple of weeks, the steel traffic levels tended to be a little lower too. I intend to start grabbing some schedules as and when I get time, to start putting together another hybrid type timetable. This one won't feature the same level of coal service options - simply because I still can't understand how the rules work to actually get them to do what I wanted them to, so I shall simplify! I intend this TT to come with the new version of South Humberside, as and when that is ready, simply becasue a number of locations required for it to work have been added to the sim since it's original release. The one major limitation of Simsig is that a train booked to run via Lincoln can't be diverted via Brigg without manually changing it's TT! As far as I know, there's nothing we can do about this! If anyone feels they can add anything to either the TT project(s), or anything else, then please feel free to reply, or send me an e-mail to onlydjw@yahoo.co.uk (please don't PM me as I get no notifications of PM's still, and the icon to tell me I have messages is still far too small - I've just read a PM from 3 months ago which I did not know was there!) Note - copy posted in the Hatfield Landlsip Topic. God bless, Daniel Wilson Log in to reply |
| Hatfield Landslip Diversion TT 14/03/2013 at 13:56 #42325 | |
jc92
3629 posts |
" said:it was my understanding from a conversation i had with you, that NR are contractually obliged to provide paths 24/7 365 for the Ore traffic into santon, hence the line cannot be fully closed. If work was to be carried out, SLW would need to be implemented to maintain Ore paths as per contract? hence potentially that scenario was being removed or altered? Joe "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Hatfield Landslip Diversion TT 14/03/2013 at 20:17 #42331 | |
Signalhunter
177 posts |
" said:In the first couple of weeks, the steel traffic levels tended to be a little lower too.My truck and I have been moving some steel blooms ("big lumps"), from Scunthorpe, that would normally go by rail. I believe there might be/have been up to 20 loads a day. Log in to reply |
| Hatfield Landslip Diversion TT 16/03/2013 at 23:46 #42384 | |
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onlydjw
456 posts |
Can I ask where to? The Lackenby and Llanwern/Margam trains tend to run, but possibly not some of the shorter trips like Rotherham/Aldwarke at the moment.
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| Hatfield Landslip Diversion TT 17/03/2013 at 21:56 #42411 | |
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Signalhunter
177 posts |
These were going to the S.N.C.F. Yard, according to the documentation that I was given, at Hayange, in France. I loaded five, over six days, and there were several other people doing the same. There were some other driver collecting loads for Lackenby. I didn't hear anyone ask for a Margam load. Log in to reply |
| Hatfield Landslip Diversion TT 18/03/2013 at 12:31 #42427 | |
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onlydjw
456 posts |
I can follow Lackenby, as some of the steel does move by road, and has done for some time from what I gather. The daily block train to France has definitely been running 7 days per week again for the last 6 weeks or so (had a while before that when it only ran 5-6 days per week), so there's obviously a surplus on that flow at the moment which the daily train can't handle. Thanks for the reply. As regards iron ore - yes, there is a requirement for Barnetby-Santon to be available 24/7 365 days per year (including Christmas day), although it's a few years since they actually ran anything between Christmas Eve night and Boxing Day night, although the line is usually open (subject to engineering work). On the six weekly cyclical engineering possessions, they have single line working between Wrawby Jn and Foreign Ore Branch Jn for the iron ore trains only. There are no Scunthorpe coals overnight (no shift to tip them at the CHP), and everything else is diverted via Brigg or Lincoln. God bless, Daniel Wilson Last edited: 18/03/2013 at 12:34 by onlydjw Log in to reply |
| Hatfield Landslip Diversion TT 20/04/2013 at 20:40 #43758 | |
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ozzyd9001
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hi. i might be shot down here but is anybody attempting to do a time table for this type of scenario?? yes it could be complicated. but and hears my head rolling.?? all i can see is a normal tt but with all Doncaster trains being diverted?? yours paul now in a grave just past the crem?? Last edited: 20/04/2013 at 20:41 by ozzyd9001 Log in to reply |
| Hatfield Landslip Diversion TT 21/04/2013 at 13:23 #43782 | |
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dwelham313
139 posts |
I have just submitted a TT for authorisation which i've written featuring diversions via Brigg. I wouldn't expect too much as this is my first attempt at writing a timetable so may be riddled with amateur errors! Hopefully i've done everything right and it will be approved soon!
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| Hatfield Landslip Diversion TT 23/04/2013 at 07:59 #43869 | |
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onlydjw
456 posts |
Paul - what did you expect other than a normal TT with anything booked via Doncaster to be diverted? That's pretty much what happened for the first couple of months. Since Easter, the WTT has been re-written, and the plan is quite different in places. And yes, I am (as posted) working on something, but I'm not sure it will work as I need it to in the released South Humberside - hence my comment that it may be a while in coming along. It is my intention for it to be a similar idea to my original hybrid TT - and so along the same lines - ie quite busy. God bless, Daniel Wilson Log in to reply |