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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 08:55 #46395 | |
Jan
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It looks like all Met line trains to/from Uxbridge are missing the stop at West Harrow.
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 09:32 #46398 | |
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Noisynoel
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The timetable reflects the Working Timetable for the period concerned. The working timetable does not show stops at West Harrow or Croxley
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 09:57 #46405 | |
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Jan
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If we're both looking at the same WTT, as far as I've gathered it's standard practice for LUL WTTs to leave out some of the intermediate stations, with the timings for them derived from the off-peak running times overview at the beginning. Otherwise, by the same logic Uxbridge trains wouldn't stop at either of Eastcote, Ruislip Manor or Ickenham, which I think is rather unlikely.
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 11:47 #46413 | |
jc92
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" said:If we're both looking at the same WTT, as far as I've gathered it's standard practice for LUL WTTs to leave out some of the intermediate stations, with the timings for them derived from the off-peak running times overview at the beginning. Otherwise, by the same logic Uxbridge trains wouldn't stop at either of Eastcote, Ruislip Manor or Ickenham, which I think is rather unlikely.certainly correct as far as bakerloo WTTs are concerned. WTT timing points are queens park, willesden jcn, stonebridge park, wembley central and H&W only. there is usually a page at the beginning which gives point to point times between stations to derive a trains full timing schedule, and this would be used for creating a WTT in SimSig. edit: just used TfL journey planner and this shows a frequent stopping service at croxley "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 04/07/2013 at 11:49 by jc92 Reason: additional info Log in to reply |
| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 12:24 #46417 | |
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Underwood
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Yes, only time you'd pass Croxley is on a railtour or special (with exception to any booked to call there of course). I had the same when writing the timetable for the District Line, according to the WTT the District/Circle is pretty fast on the South Bank, but actually it's not. I didn't even use the journey planner, I just calculated what is more likely to be the times at that station, and then gave a train a test to see if it would run to time. Is there technically a time for unlisted stations? Does it work like buses where drivers have to adjust where they are between timing points, bus stops in between are un-timed and you leave basically when ready. Just wondered if some stations are like that? Log in to reply |
| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 13:57 #46429 | |
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jc92
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" said:Is there technically a time for unlisted stations?yes. taking my example above, if it is listed as being 2 mins from stonebridge park to harlesden, then if the WTT indicates a departure from stonebridge park at 10:05, it should depart harlesden at 10:07. the WTT simply doesnt indicate clearly many of the intermediate stations as a rail WTT does. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 14:33 #46433 | |
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Noisynoel
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Yes, trains are booked to stop at Croxley, however, as it wasn't in the WTT and the running time is not mentioned. As I only picked up on tis after I'd created the base timetable and it is such a huge undertaking to put them all in, I have left it and will update the timetable when I have a bit more time on my hands. I didn't want to hold the release up for such a trivial issue.
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 15:48 #46444 | |
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kbarber
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" said:" said:Is there technically a time for unlisted stations?yes. taking my example above, if it is listed as being 2 mins from stonebridge park to harlesden, then if the WTT indicates a departure from stonebridge park at 10:05, it should depart harlesden at 10:07. the WTT simply doesnt indicate clearly many of the intermediate stations as a rail WTT does. I have an idea LT drivers go when ready and signalmen/regulators are required to hold them to time as necessary; regulators may additionally allow early departures or hold beyond booked time, signalmen may only do so if requested by Control (or other authority?) That's what I understood anyway. Of course it may have changed since as well. Could it be that what's needed at places like West Harrow is departure time of 00:00 but a set dwell time? Or have I totally misunderstood how timetables work? (Perhaps, if I am right, dwell times should increase slightly in the peaks to simulate larger numbers boarding/alighting.) Log in to reply |
| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 20:11 #46464 | |
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metcontrol
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Just to stick my bit in (as a Line Controller for the section shown in the sim) The stations on the section Harrow to Moor Park/Rickmansworth to Amersham and Chesham have individual timings in the Working Timetable (WTT). On the Uxbridge Branch the only stations shown are Rayners Lane, Ruislip and Hillingdon . Croxley is also not shown. The published run time between Rayners Lane and West Harrow is 2½ minutes in each direction. Croxley to Watford is 3½ minutes, whilst in the southbound direction it is 3 minutes. Any station without an individual entry in the main timetable has its booked run time from the stations either side of it shown at the front of the WTT. The Metropolitan Line is unique on LU in that it is the last remaining line to run a "published timetabled service." By this I mean that our customers on the Watford/Amersham/Chesham routes are informed of the actual timings of each train rather than the tube-lines standard "Train every 3-5 minutes." Given this unique-ness, most Met Train Operators carry a copy of the WTT to ensure they do not run early (unless requested). On the Uxbridge branch and in city areas (not shown) trains are more or less driven by "departure once the signal clears." Signallers in this area need to ensure the signal is not cleared more than half a minute before the booked (or required) departure time. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Jan |
| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 04/07/2013 at 21:20 #46471 | |
Andrew G
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" said:Given this unique-ness, most Met Train Operators carry a copy of the WTT to ensure they do not run early (unless requested).Interesting - when I went on a visit to the 3 Signal Cabins included in the simulation I did note that at Rickmansworth and Amersham that the route was only set just before departure to try and minimise early departures. Comment was made that some of the locals knew the timetable by heart and would be straight on the phone to Head Office if they missed a train which had departed 1-2 minutes early. Log in to reply |
| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 05/07/2013 at 07:40 #46501 | |
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metcontrol
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Yes, as well as the unique features I mentioned, we also have a very "united" force of customers and more than one Customer Focus Group - who between them have successfully managed to get through Chesham services and slower, all-stations services (favoured only by the focus group who campaigned for them  . )
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 05/07/2013 at 12:49 #46526 | |
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jc92
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whats the difference between the "normal" and combined timetables?
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 05/07/2013 at 15:57 #46538 | |
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Noisynoel
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Normal doesn't have the LUL so this option should be set to simple in the start up menu
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 05/07/2013 at 18:15 #46546 | |
postal
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Banbury N SB 5U92/5U75. These 2 trains are timed to so that 5U92 is reversing from 01:16 - 01d28 and 5U75 from 01:20 - 01d25. If ARS runs things exactly to TT, 5U92 needs a stopping position of NX@60 and 5U75 needs PS 2U92 otherwise 5U75 lies across the points and things are gridlocked. 5U75 then needs PS 5L07 at Banbury NB “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 05/07/2013 at 18:30 by postal Log in to reply |
| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 05/07/2013 at 18:41 #46551 | |
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postal
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All of the Met trains I've seen so far show as 4DC and Diesel.
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 05/07/2013 at 18:47 #46553 | |
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UKTrainMan
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" said:All of the Met trains I've seen so far show as 4DC and Diesel.Yes, and no. Checking F4 Timetable List » Train Types, none of the two S8 entries have diesel ticked. Picking a random LU train, and it does show "4DC Diesel" on F2 Train List Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 05/07/2013 at 20:01 #46563 | |
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Jan
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4O49 has incorrect passing times for Heyford and Wolvercot Jn, and two of the Uxbridge semi-fasts (U431-5, U456-7) show only the departure time in their description.
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 05/07/2013 at 22:13 #46582 | |
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jc92
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0V60 and 2G11 clash between west and south ruislip (gave priority to 2G11 with 0V60 in non ARS
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 06/07/2013 at 10:00 #46604 | |
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Jan
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Not necessarily. 2G11 departs West Ruislip at 07:47, while 0V60 passes through at 07:50.
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| Marylebone combined 18/12/12 timetable 03/07/2021 at 14:23 #140318 | |
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swiftaw
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I know this is a minor issue on an old timetable, but its the official timetable included with the sim so I thought I'd mention it. 1I50 seems to have the wrong description. It looks like it has the description for 5H50 which it becomes when it reaches Wembley Stadium.
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