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| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 25/11/2013 at 11:43 #51985 | |
Underwood
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Hello all, I've posted this elsewhere but I'll put it here too incase any staff/FCC staff just happen to know. Just wondering how are the 319/377's diagrammed for the Carriage Washer Machine (CWM) at Bedford Carriage Sidings (Not the one at Cauldwell Depot). I notice in the WTT that the ECS's from Bedford to Bedford CS are booked two minutes do do the trip, but underneath the times it say's CET/CWM. The one at the Carriage Sidings is on it's own siding (Wash Siding in the sim). Do these go to the sidings, then perform an untimed shunt to the CWM via Bedford station, or go to the CWM first, and then shunt back to the sidings via Bedford station? Then again, it seems in the 319/377 diagram sheets that they are all booked for 'CET/CWM' I suspect they can't do all the 319/377's in one evening/night? Just wondering how to timetable these in the sim, then again I could just do fictional shunts otherwise, I'm sure that would be plausible otherwise? Log in to reply |
| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 25/11/2013 at 23:23 #52007 | |
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MrBitsy
121 posts |
Trains from the platforms booked into the sidings often go via the wash road. We do get 'wash days' when the c/s shunter makes many c/s to wash road and back requests - normally a Sunday. Currently only 319 units can use the bay (P1a) at bedford, with 377 units having to go via the platforms.
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| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 05/12/2015 at 12:46 #78426 | |
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MrBitsy
121 posts |
Just to update this. All units can use P1a at Bedford again. Normal working is terminator in the platforms to wash road, then platform 1A then C/S. Booked moves into the wash road have a whiskey headcode now - 5W25 etc. TVSC Link 4 signaller - Temple Meads, Bath & Stoke Gifford Log in to reply |
| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 13/12/2015 at 20:19 #78716 | |
Right Away
71 posts |
I happened to be at Bedford on Saturday at about 6.30pm and was surprised to see a class 377 at the bay platform, the first time I’ve seen one there. From where I was it looked as though the train’s electronic destination boards said it was going to London Victoria, which appeared even more odd. But perhaps it was just going for a wash and brush up. The front of the train was well beyond the platform signal and I wondered what the procedure was to give the driver or shunter right away. Is it by a ground signal somewhere or simply just given by radio? Anybody know?
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| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 13/12/2015 at 21:07 #78717 | |
Steamer
3920 posts |
" said:I happened to be at Bedford on Saturday at about 6.30pm and was surprised to see a class 377 at the bay platform, the first time I’ve seen one there. From where I was it looked as though the train’s electronic destination boards said it was going to London Victoria, which appeared even more odd. But perhaps it was just going for a wash and brush up. The front of the train was well beyond the platform signal and I wondered what the procedure was to give the driver or shunter right away. Is it by a ground signal somewhere or simply just given by radio? Anybody know?It's more likely that the destination had been left on the screen for some reason. There's no access to the MML from Platform 1A, unless a crossover has been added since West Hampstead was written. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 15/12/2015 at 08:58 #78735 | |
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Right Away
71 posts |
What is the procedure to give right away when the train is longer than the bay platform with the front cab beyond the platform signal? This was the case on Saturday evening. The platform signal was behind the driver/shunter. Usually there is never an issue at 1a as it's only normally occupied by a 1- or 2-carriage London Midland DMU, or occasionally a top and tailed rail head cleaner which just fits between the bay buffer and the signal.
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| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 15/12/2015 at 15:43 #78744 | |
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Steamer
3920 posts |
" said:What is the procedure to give right away when the train is longer than the bay platform with the front cab beyond the platform signal? This was the case on Saturday evening. The platform signal was behind the driver/shunter. Usually there is never an issue at 1a as it's only normally occupied by a 1- or 2-carriage London Midland DMU, or occasionally a top and tailed rail head cleaner which just fits between the bay buffer and the signal.In this case, I don't think giving right away applies- the driver would just change ends and proceed when signal 626 shows clear. As I explained above, the train wouldn't have been in passenger service and the doors wouldn't have been opened. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 15/12/2015 at 17:52 #78746 | |
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MrBitsy
121 posts |
GPL for 8 car units to from the C/S or wash road. 377 units were banned from the bay for a while due to sighting issuers, but they can use again now.
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| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 16/12/2015 at 15:18 #78762 | |
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Right Away
71 posts |
Yes, it may have been ECS and perhaps going to the sidings or washer. But the signal would still be behind the driver, and thus not observable, from his position in the front cab due to the length of the train. So, I can only conclude he got permission to move either by radio (hand-held or otherwise), or he had been out of his cab and on the platform to see the signal and then walked back along the cess and climbed back in. There must be a rule for the situation where the signal can't be seen from the cab, wouldn't you think?
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| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 16/12/2015 at 15:26 #78763 | |
headshot119
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Or he simply asks the signaler for permission to proceed.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 16/12/2015 at 15:26 by headshot119 Log in to reply |
| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 16/12/2015 at 15:34 #78764 | |
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Steamer
3920 posts |
" said:Yes, it may have been ECS and perhaps going to the sidings or washer. But the signal would still be behind the driver, and thus not observable, from his position in the front cab due to the length of the train. So, I can only conclude he got permission to move either by radio (hand-held or otherwise), or he had been out of his cab and on the platform to see the signal and then walked back along the cess and climbed back in. There must be a rule for the situation where the signal can't be seen from the cab, wouldn't you think?Take a look at the West Hampstead simulation, or the signal number plan on the Wiki. I'd imagine that the train was stopped with the far cab next to signal 626, which is beyond the platform starter. In that case, it's just a standard reversing move at a shunt signal, it just happens that part of the train is in a platform and another signal is present. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 16/12/2015 at 16:26 #78766 | |
KymriskaDraken
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" said:Yes, it may have been ECS and perhaps going to the sidings or washer. But the signal would still be behind the driver, and thus not observable, from his position in the front cab due to the length of the train. So, I can only conclude he got permission to move either by radio (hand-held or otherwise), or he had been out of his cab and on the platform to see the signal and then walked back along the cess and climbed back in. There must be a rule for the situation where the signal can't be seen from the cab, wouldn't you think?In my day this was covered by Section C of the Rule Book: Rule C 6.3 - Observance of signals when a train or movement reverses Clause 6.3.2 - When, however, any part of the train is ahead of the controlling signal in the direction in which it applies, the Driver must not start any movement in that direction until the signal has been cleared. If the Driver cannot see the signal, he must if necessary obtain an assurance from the Guard or Shunter that the signal is cleared. Where the signal cannot be cleared because of the occupation of track circuits and the train cannot be moved so that it is completely in rear of the signal, the Driver must personally obtain the Signalman's permission before moving in the opposite direction. The Rule is almost certainly still in the Book, but I have no idea where to find things in the new-fangled modern version of the Rule Book. What was wrong with Rule 55 anyway? Kev Last edited: 16/12/2015 at 16:29 by KymriskaDraken Log in to reply |
| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 19/12/2015 at 10:25 #78949 | |
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MrBitsy
121 posts |
" said:" said:Correct, move will be from WH626Yes, it may have been ECS and perhaps going to the sidings or washer. But the signal would still be behind the driver, and thus not observable, from his position in the front cab due to the length of the train. So, I can only conclude he got permission to move either by radio (hand-held or otherwise), or he had been out of his cab and on the platform to see the signal and then walked back along the cess and climbed back in. There must be a rule for the situation where the signal can't be seen from the cab, wouldn't you think?Take a look at the West Hampstead simulation, or the signal number plan on the Wiki. I'd imagine that the train was stopped with the far cab next to signal 626, which is beyond the platform starter. In that case, it's just a standard reversing move at a shunt signal, it just happens that part of the train is in a platform and another signal is present. TVSC Link 4 signaller - Temple Meads, Bath & Stoke Gifford Log in to reply |
| FCC Bedford Carriage Washer 19/12/2015 at 10:26 #78950 | |
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MrBitsy
121 posts |
" said:Yes, it may have been ECS and perhaps going to the sidings or washer. But the signal would still be behind the driver, and thus not observable, from his position in the front cab due to the length of the train. So, I can only conclude he got permission to move either by radio (hand-held or otherwise), or he had been out of his cab and on the platform to see the signal and then walked back along the cess and climbed back in. There must be a rule for the situation where the signal can't be seen from the cab, wouldn't you think?WH626 GPL available for this move. TVSC Link 4 signaller - Temple Meads, Bath & Stoke Gifford Log in to reply |