Carlisle 4th April 2015

You are here: Home > Forum > Simulations > Timetables > Carlisle > Carlisle 4th April 2015

Page 1 of 1

Carlisle 4th April 2015 04/04/2015 at 10:54 #70749
HST125Scorton
Avatar
586 posts
Hi all,
Today I'm working on a fresh timetable for Carlisle since my last one was a pain. So the aim of this timetable would be to show what it's like when processions are happening up north between Gretna Jn and Lockerbie. With TPE and VT Trains terminating at Carlisle and running back towards Preston, with a few going via Dumfries. So I have come to an issue with these engineering trains e.g. Carlisle Yard to Grenta Jn which i have all the headcodes for e.g. 6K** trains. Link below ect. I have 10 of them planning to terminate at Gretna Jn and then move off towards Lockerbie.
(http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/XGS/2015/04/04/0000-2359?stp=S&show=all&order=wtt). What do i need to do for them as Gretna Jn will be last location and termination point.
Also i cannot remember fully but for trains enterning areas how many mins for a freight or passenger?
Up Dumfries, Lockerbie, Carnforth North Jn, Wigton, Hexham & Settle.

Aaron (AJRO)
Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 05/04/2015 at 11:55 #70790
HST125Scorton
Avatar
586 posts
Worth me adding, Since the freight early hours of 4th are slim, I've decided to add some from Mon to Fri been careful to have them timed through the Procession.
Aaron (AJRO)
Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 06/04/2015 at 20:06 #70839
HST125Scorton
Avatar
586 posts
OK, so the timetable has been written. Testing stage to be done this week. Now then there was a few diverted trains all 4 sleepers, mail and a few intermodals and hoppers. But I've added them into the timetable as i though it was still possible. The sleepers are now under Serco Caledonian Sleeper and run with 2x 92s and 2x 90s in hire from DB. You will know which is which when they enter. I've added the Dalston tanks which i have no idea how to use that GF lol. I've added the mail and the intermodals/hoppers and during the week before the 4th i've added in some extra working and light engine movements.
Timetables:
Carlisle 4th April 2015 00:00 to 23:59
Carlisle 4th April 2015 04:30 to 23:59

The Procession's:
Gretna Jn to Beattock Summit
07:45 4th April through till 03:00 7th April

Penrith to Lancaster
21:30 4th April through till 05:00 6th April

Aaron (AJRO)
Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 10/05/2015 at 07:09 #72025
uboat
Avatar
218 posts
need rules for Dalston Oil Trains or we will have a Mexican like Finger did in
another thread.

Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton
Carlisle 4th April 2015 10/05/2015 at 13:13 #72047
HST125Scorton
Avatar
586 posts
Thank you for that bit of information, I shall get round to adding them rules...

Thanks Aaron

Aaron (AJRO)
Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: uboat
Carlisle 4th April 2015 11/05/2015 at 09:43 #72076
uboat
Avatar
218 posts
I'm getting used to the Dalston ground frames.

I have a timetable stepping issue with some down trains. they TRTS at Milnthorpe
but the train is at Carlisle. after comparing different trains timetables some
have Milnthorpe in some don't. maybe that's where the problem lies.

1 rule didn't work I had 4S53-1 enter at Kingmoor while 4S53 was at Carlisle.

up to 0800 while I write this.

Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton
Carlisle 4th April 2015 11/05/2015 at 10:45 #72078
Steamer
Avatar
3052 posts
" said:
I have a timetable stepping issue with some down trains. they TRTS at Milnthorpe
but the train is at Carlisle. after comparing different trains timetables some
have Milnthorpe in some don't. maybe that's where the problem lies.
Strictly speaking, no trains should be timed at Milnthorpe as they aren't timed there in the real WTT. Unless booked to stop in a loop or something like that, trains are only timed at Carnforth North Jn, Oxenholme, Tebay, Penrith, Carlisle, Grenta Jn, Kirkpatrick Signal MC862 (Up)/Signal MC863 (Down) and Lockerbie.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 11/05/2015 at 10:52 #72079
uboat
Avatar
218 posts
I thought something like that so I will edit the timetable and take Milnthorpe out.

timetable timing points not in wiki.

Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 11/05/2015 at 11:36 #72084
TomOF
Avatar
452 posts
So, the sim allowed you to timetable a train northbound using Milnthorpe but the sim did not step up the timetable?

I can't recall why the allowable timetable paths were set up to work that way but it sounds like there could be a sim bug of some kind.

If possible could you send me the timetable that had the problem?

Thanks

Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 11/05/2015 at 11:47 #72085
HST125Scorton
Avatar
586 posts
Hi to all, Thanks for your updates I've sorted out the Dalston Rules. Just been reading through about the location 'Milnthorpe' When I wrote the TT I selected the location as from Carnforth North Jn most of the trains have that location included. I will go through the timetable and remove that location point.
The 1 rule that was mentioned by uboat about 4S53.. When I tested it, it did come out a few mins early so when the train was going into KM it was coming out at the same time. I'll have a look at that rule maybe just a little type error. TomOF I've attached the WTT/WTR files for you have a look at to check if it was a bug..

[attachment=3189]Carlisle04-04-2015.wtt[/attachment]

[attachment=3190]Carlisle04-04-2015.wtr[/attachment]

[attachment=3191]Carlisle04-04-20150430.wtt[/attachment]

[attachment=3192]Carlisle04-04-20150430.wtr[/attachment]

Post has attachments. Log in to view them.
Aaron (AJRO)
Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 11/05/2015 at 12:34 #72087
AndyG
Avatar
1778 posts
" said:
The 1 rule that was mentioned by uboat about 4S53.. When I tested it, it did come out a few mins early so when the train was going into KM it was coming out at the same time. I'll have a look at that rule maybe just a little type error.
I'll have a quick look at the rule, I've a hunch what the glitch is.

Edit:- as per your thought of rule type error, the rule needed is:-
4S83-1 must not enter until (say) 40 minutes after 4S43 leaves the area.

HTH

I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either.
Last edited: 11/05/2015 at 12:44 by AndyG
Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 12/05/2015 at 21:25 #72132
chrisdmadd
Avatar
127 posts
4S53 booked in platform 2!! 05:56

00:43 Daventry DRS

Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton
Carlisle 4th April 2015 12/05/2015 at 23:31 #72137
uboat
Avatar
218 posts
all the Kingmoor departures need rewriting to Andyg's edit.

4S43 4S45 4S53 and 6Z50.

Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton
Carlisle 4th April 2015 13/05/2015 at 09:57 #72144
HST125Scorton
Avatar
586 posts
Hello to all, thanks again for your comments. So what have I got for you well all the train's that had location 'Milnthorpe' in there TTs has been removed. The rules for the Dalston Tanks have been entered and the rules at Kingmoor have been redone. Thanks to AndyG the trains are now set to e.g. 4S43-1 must not enter until 47 minutes after 4S43 leaves the area. 4S53 has the correct platform now instead of the dead end platform 2 really it should off been platform 1.
I've attached the new versions below.

[attachment=3198]Carlisle4thApril2015.wtt[/attachment]
[attachment=3199]Carlisle4thApril2015.wtr[/attachment]
[attachment=3200]Carlisle4thApril20150430.wtt[/attachment]
[attachment=3201]Carlisle4thApril20150430.wtr[/attachment]

Post has attachments. Log in to view them.
Aaron (AJRO)
Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: uboat
Carlisle 4th April 2015 13/05/2015 at 20:18 #72155
TomOF
Avatar
452 posts
Looking into it Milnthorpe was in the data as a location which could be used to timetable trains but had not assigned it to any tracks which is why the timetable was not stepping up. It should have only been used for advising of a signalling fault in the area.

I believe I had intended to use it if the emergency ground frames where ever brought into use but this still does not seem likely.

I have now amended the simuation data to prevent that location from being used.

Cheers

Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton
Carlisle 4th April 2015 14/05/2015 at 00:10 #72156
uboat
Avatar
218 posts
1S73 clashes with 1Z64 - 1Z45 in platform 1.
did 4S55 - 4S55-1 get a rule?

Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton
Carlisle 4th April 2015 14/05/2015 at 10:29 #72175
HST125Scorton
Avatar
586 posts
Hi Uboat, Thanks for the update. Just had a look at the TT notes and 1S73 was routed for Platform 4.. Looks like I selected 3 so I've put it to Platform 4. 1Z64/Z45 are to arrive and depart Platform 1 as booked. Mystery to why 4S55/4S55-1 Rule disappeared when sorting it out.. So I've put it back in and should be ok..

I'll keep hold of the updated TT here just incase anymore edits need to be done. Meanwhile I will write a Timetable Description that I did not do whoops :blush:

Aaron (AJRO)
Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 14/05/2015 at 10:44 #72177
uboat
Avatar
218 posts
I can't remember which 1 but 1 down passenger train was booked into P1 at Penrith
or Oxenholme instead of P2.

are you rewriting this timetable for the loader version for when it's released?

Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 14/05/2015 at 10:50 #72178
HST125Scorton
Avatar
586 posts
Hi, I will have at look at all the down trains and see which one it is and I will change it.. Hopefully I will be doing that but I've not been given any info about it been on loader or when it's due to come out on loader.
Aaron (AJRO)
Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: uboat
Carlisle 4th April 2015 15/05/2015 at 13:42 #72248
chrisdmadd
Avatar
127 posts
2C33 08:32 inbound platform 2 carlisle then works 2C40 Which leaves at 08:28!
Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton
Carlisle 4th April 2015 16/06/2015 at 10:22 #73434
HST125Scorton
Avatar
586 posts
Can a Admin/Moderator take down my current Carlisle 04-04-2015 timetable from the Carlisle Timetable page please as I have a new one to upload ready by end of this week.

Following Issues:

  1. Rules for Dalston Oil Trains

  2. TRTS at Milnthorpe but the train is at other locations

  3. 1 rule didn't work 4S53-1 enter at Kingmoor while 4S53 was at Carlisle

  4. 4S53 booked in platform 2 around 05:56

  5. 4S43 4S45 4S53 and 6Z50 Rules need ammending

  6. 1S73 clashes with 1Z64 - 1Z45 in platform 1.

  7. 4S55 - 4S55-1 had a missing rule

  8. 1 down passenger train was booked into P1 at Penrith or Oxenholme instead of P2.

  9. 2C33 08:32 inbound platform 2 carlisle then works 2C40 Which leaves at 08:28!



All the above issues have now been fixed and have been tested and work out better than last time. Only one issue to the singallers is 4Z71 in the 0430 start was booked into Shap Summit Loop but since now trains are behind it for a while it's a clear run to Carnforth.

Aaron (AJRO)
Log in to reply
Carlisle 4th April 2015 16/06/2015 at 12:41 #73435
TomOF
Avatar
452 posts
If a train is ready for departure at Milnthorpe but thinks its at a different location then one has been missed.

I'd be interested to know which trains you are seeing this on so I can look at sim issues.

Log in to reply