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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 09/04/2015 at 07:52 #70911
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Now approved and available to download here.

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A 2015 weekday timetable for the Birmingham New Street area. Times have been taken from Open Train Times and Real Time Trains, with freight headcodes from Network Rail's WTT. Virgin Trains diagrams are from the VT Yahoo group. Stock allocations are broadly accurate, however I would be grateful for any more information where assumptions have been made.

This timetable is compatible with Woverhampton 2015, and compatible timetables for Coventry and Aston are in development.

Service pattern:

London Midland

London Midland is the dominant operator at New Street, and operates a mix of local and express services.

6tph Four Oaks- Longbridge (the Cross City line). 3tph continue to Redditch in the south, 2tph to Lichfield City and 2tph to Lichfield Trent Valley in the north.
3tph New Street- London Euston, calling at intermediate stations
2tph New Street- Walsall, with hourly extensions to Rugeley Trent Valley
2tph New Street- Liverpool semi-fast
2tph Wolverhampton- Walsall, calling at all intermediate stations
1tph New Street- Shrewsbury
1tph New Street- Hereford
1tph New Street- Birmingham International

323s are used on all Cross City and some Wolverhampton- Walsall services. 350s are used on all other electric services. The traction used is correct, however 110mph 350s are assumed throughout as I can't find diagrams. For the same reason, 2-car 170s are assumed on all diesel workings, with the exception of the single Class 150 diagram to Hereford.

Cross Country

Cross Country operates long-distance express services, all of which pass through New Street.

1tph Plymouth- Edinburgh, with extensions to various destinations throughout the day
1tph Reading- Newcastle, extended once every two hours to Southampton Central
1tph Manchester- Bristol, extended to Paignton a few times a day
1tph Bournemouth- Manchester
2tph New Street- Leicester, extended once an hour to Stanstead Airport
1tph New Street- Nottingham
1tph Cardiff Central- Nottingham

A mixture of Class 220s, 221s and a few HSTs are used on North/South services. HST diagrams are accurate, 220s have been assumed for all other services. Class 170s are used on Leicester/Nottingham trains, 2-car trains have been assumed throughout.

Virgin Trains

3tph London- New Street, with an hourly extension to/from Scotland.

Two trains a day continue to Shrewsbury, and early morning/late night trains continue to Wolverhampton. Trains are a mixture of 9 and 11 car Pendolinos, and Class 221s. Diagrams are accurate.

Note that VT services to or via New Street run under a Class 9 headcode to distinguish them from those running via Nuneaton. They should be treated as Class 1 for regulation purposes.

Arriva Trains Wales

1tph Birmingham International- Shrewsbury. Destination alternates every two hours between Holyhead and Aberystwyth/Pwllheli. Class 158s (in various multiples) are used on these services, diagrams are fairly accurate.

Other notes

Always read the timetable! Some trains don't take the route you might expect them to (especially if you're used to the supplied timetable), especially in the early morning and late evening.

Platform allocations are based on the WTT, however I've altered them where appropriate so you shouldn't get conflicts.

Any problems, questions or bugs please feel free to post on the forum

Enjoy!

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 10/04/2015 at 17:07 #70956
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1G00 has Perry Road North Junction has a timing point when it should be Perry Road South Junction.

Driver calls out wrong route.

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 10/04/2015 at 19:40 #70963
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" said:

1G00 has Perry Road North Junction has a timing point when it should be Perry Road South Junction.

Driver calls out wrong route.
I think you mean Perry Barr

To confirm, (as there's two) is this 1G00 the 04:42 ex. Chester? If so, the train is booked via Aston, are you trying to send it via Soho? The location sequence entered is valid and the driver will accept the route to NS266.

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 10/04/2015 at 20:43 #70968
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My apologies - I had chained to Wolves and wrong routed it at Crane Street Junction.
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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 11/04/2015 at 05:44 #70973
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I get this message quite a lot in the first few minutes of playing this timetable... I ran an update before I started to play.

Internal error: Exception: 1M00inDostation(EAccessViolation:Accessviolationataddress0050134E in module'SimSigloader.exe. Read address 0000000)

and then it all crashes and dies.

Help?

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 11/04/2015 at 08:00 #70975
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" said:
I get this message quite a lot in the first few minutes of playing this timetable... I ran an update before I started to play.

Internal error: Exception: 1M00inDostation(EAccessViolation:Accessviolationataddress0050134E in module'SimSigloader.exe. Read address 0000000)

and then it all crashes and dies.

Help?

A
That's one for Geoff I think, I've never encountered that message while testing the TT. Sorry!

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 11/04/2015 at 08:14 #70976
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Always a trend setter.

Is there somewhere more appropriate I can raise this? I can't send a save, because I never get the chance to do anything before it all crashes!

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 11/04/2015 at 08:33 #70978
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When I play the 2015 0445 start, the error does not seem to occur.

However, 5V01 when running into New Street does not stop up its location from Borderesley junction to New Street, so just sits at the end of the platform doing nothing until I manually step up the timetable.

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 11/04/2015 at 09:03 #70979
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The Access Violation has been reported on Mantis: #12938
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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 12/04/2015 at 08:10 #70995
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However, 5V01 when running into New Street does not stop up its location from Borderesley junction to New Street, so just sits at the end of the platform doing nothing until I manually step up the timetable.
Whoops, I should've deleted Bordesley and St. Andrews from 5V01's timetable. It'll be fixed in the next release.

For anyone who doesn't know, to solve the problem open F2, right click 5V01, Timetable Options> Edit Timetable, click the location 'Birmingham New Street' once to highlight it and click 'Set Next/Current location'. Then click 'OK' to close the editor.

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 13/04/2015 at 20:30 #71037
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9G46 is booked into 5B to work 5W48. it refuses to fit only into 5B and called in at signal 202 while straddling the north end of the station. once signalled into 5A, it then locks the route through 5A, meaning that when 2Y01 wants to use 5A it can't.
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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 13/04/2015 at 21:28 #71042
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9G46 is booked into 5B to work 5W48. it refuses to fit only into 5B and called in at signal 202 while straddling the north end of the station. once signalled into 5A, it then locks the route through 5A, meaning that when 2Y01 wants to use 5A it can't.
Oops, that slipped through. 2Y01 can go in 3A without causing further clashes, I'll fix it in the next release.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 10/06/2015 at 08:29 #73113
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Version 1.1 now released. The timetable has been updated to include accurate stock workings (thanks to JamesN for his assistance) and correct the platform clashes reported above.
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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 13/07/2015 at 20:08 #74200
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Hi Steamer.

Not sure if it's been discovered previously but 5P06, 5N04 and 5R06 have a bit of trouble all fitting into 8 right at the start of the timetable (they do fit, but the way the game handles them, they don't)

The way I solved it was:

- Immediately set the mid platform signal so 5N04 goes to middle of platform
- 5G49 (which becomes 5R06) arrives.
- 5N04 must then be reversed to face down to "buffer" up to 5R06.

Only then will 5G58 (which becomes 5P06) successfully fit into 8 with the other two units.

Don't know if I'm doing something wrong... But if I take it as given that the seed 5N04 is rightly placed, 5G49/5R06 stops outside the platform fouling the throat.

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 13/07/2015 at 20:29 #74202
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Ah- I can't find a way to make that one work, as it really needs the train to be seeded straddling 189 and 191. I'll adjust it so that 5G49 enters as a nine car, stops near-end, and splits to form 5N04 and 5R06.
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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 13/07/2015 at 20:33 #74203
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hi steamer they is still some platform mistakes according to the platform book i got from network rail for weekday they are on the wrong platform one id is wrong and some trains are missing that are in this book i wll attach this book
[attachment=3337]-BNSADbookMay15SXTTweekdays.xlsx[/attachment]

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 13/07/2015 at 20:43 #74205
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hi steamer they is still some platform mistakes according to the platform book i got from network rail for weekday they are on the wrong platform one id is wrong and some trains are missing that are in this book i wll attach this book
[attachment=3337]-BNSADbookMay15SXTTweekdays.xlsx[/attachment]

thanks tony
I'm unsure, but it appears that the timetable was made in April, which is before any May timetable changes...

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 13/07/2015 at 20:45 #74206
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hi steamer they is still some platform mistakes according to the platform book i got from network rail for weekday they are on the wrong platform one id is wrong and some trains are missing that are in this book i wll attach this book
[attachment=3337]-BNSADbookMay15SXTTweekdays.xlsx[/attachment]

thanks tony
I'm unsure, but it appears that the timetable was made in April, which is before any May timetable changes...

no changeds was made in may timetable so it wll be fine

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 13/07/2015 at 20:51 #74208
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hi steamer they is still some platform mistakes according to the platform book i got from network rail for weekday they are on the wrong platform one id is wrong and some trains are missing that are in this book i wll attach this book
[attachment=3337]-BNSADbookMay15SXTTweekdays.xlsx[/attachment]

thanks tony
Platforms- Unless the allocations are causing clashes in the simulation, I'm not changing them. As far as I know, it ain't broken, so I ain't fixing it! The platforms are as shown in advance for a particular day on RTT (so I assume they're as per WTT), with adjustments made to prevent clashes.

Missing trains- Which ones are missing? Note that some of the trains in that book are marked MO or FO. This timetable was based on a typical Wednesday.

Wrong ID- again, can you tell me which one?

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 13/07/2015 at 20:55 #74210
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if it base on a wedsday no missing trains cannot find id of that train now but when i do i wll pm you it
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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 27/07/2015 at 19:51 #74530
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A couple of notes:

5P07 is booked through 10 with the B end already occupied. 11 is free.

1G00 incorrectly has Perry Barr North Jn, should be South Jn.

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 27/07/2015 at 22:21 #74532
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A couple of notes:

5P07 is booked through 10 with the B end already occupied. 11 is free.

1G00 incorrectly has Perry Barr North Jn, should be South Jn.
5P07 TT is correct. It leaves P10A in the up direction.

1G00 timetable will not validate changing it to South Jn. Add South Jn to the timetable for it to validate.
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Reason: anther solution?

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 27/07/2015 at 22:44 #74533
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A couple of notes:

5P07 is booked through 10 with the B end already occupied. 11 is free.
5P07 TT is correct. It leaves P10A in the up direction.
5P07's TT is not correct. As it comes directly from Soho depot, it can't get to 10A with 10B occupied.

I've corrected this in the next version, using 11A.

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1G00 incorrectly has Perry Barr North Jn, should be South Jn.
Why? The timetable validates and is an accurate reflection of the actual schedule. Changing North Jn to South Jn makes it invalid. I assume you're referring to the early morning ATW 1G00, as the late-night VT 1G00 runs on the normal route via Dudley Port and Soho South Jn?

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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 27/07/2015 at 22:47 #74534
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I suspect the problem with 1G00 was that it managed to run via the Stour Valley lines whilst chained to Wolverhampton! That explains why its timetable looked rather odd at the New Street end...
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Birmingham New Street 2015 WTT 28/07/2015 at 00:27 #74540
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Ouch! I'm blind as a bat Reading TT upside down!
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