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1B26/5B26/0B26 31/12/2015 at 12:33 #79437
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I have been using Simsig for a while now and got the Edinburgh simulation as I work there and it would give me a better understanding of the problems experienced by the signal centre staff.
I have come across a problem that I am struggling to get around which involves 1B26 and the continuation workings.

1B26 arrived from Carstairs at 0715 and then forms 5B26 in platform 21. However the timetable shows 5B26 activities as DEF 0B26 which I think should actually be DER 0B26 as the timetable shows the loco routed West into Calton Tunnel before running through to the East End and reversing back to join 5B26. Is this correct or am I being a little bit stupid...not unusual for me.

I thought that the answer was simple, modify the timetable, but when I save the changes they are not appearing in the timetable next time I run the simulation. Is this because I am not running the sim while in Administrator mode when I make the changes?

Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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1B26/5B26/0B26 31/12/2015 at 15:52 #79443
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I thought that the answer was simple, modify the timetable, but when I save the changes they are not appearing in the timetable next time I run the simulation. Is this because I am not running the sim while in Administrator mode when I make the changes?
Can't solve your 1B26 problem, but I can help with the TT saving issue (although the explanation may not be absolutely correct in computer-speak).

Once you open a sim using a TT from your hard disk, the Loader program reads the TT and incorporates it into the data it holds to run the sim (or in pre-Loader sims, the exe file did that). It does not refer back to the hard copy on your disk while you are running the sim or when you reload the saved game because the saved game has the TT which you last used to run the game.

When you use F4 or the Menu Bar to go into the TT, make any modifications and save the TT, you have changed the copy on your hard disk. At that point the updated TT is saved on your hard disk, but is only in the active memory of the sim. Unless you save the game before you close down the sim, the active memory is lost so when you reload the sim, you are reloading a save from a time before the TT was edited. That means you see the unedited TT, even though your file copy of the TT has changed. What makes it even more confusing is that when you go into F4, the TT name is the same as your saved copy even though the data is different.

So, if you want to carry forward an edit to the TT so that you can re-start with your new data, you must save the sim as well as saving the TT. Then, when you re-load the sim, the new data is available.

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1B26/5B26/0B26 31/12/2015 at 20:55 #79447
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Can't find at present the WIKI page that had a diagram showing the WTT workings.
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1B26/5B26/0B26 31/12/2015 at 21:19 #79448
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1B26 arrived from Carstairs at 0715 and then forms 5B26 in platform 21. However the timetable shows 5B26 activities as DEF 0B26 which I think should actually be DER 0B26 as the timetable shows the loco routed West into Calton Tunnel before running through to the East End and reversing back to join 5B26.
Don't forget that the panel is drawn with South at the top so when you look at the panel it is East to the left. If I remember the TT correctly, the train has arrived from Carstairs through Princes Street Gardens so the loco will be at the Calton Tunnel end of the train. It needs to detach from the front towards Calton Tunnel so that it can run round and reverse onto the West End of the train before departing ECS to Polmadie via Carstairs again. I think that means the TT as written shouldn't need any editing.

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1B26/5B26/0B26 01/01/2016 at 12:11 #79455
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" said:

1B26 arrived from Carstairs at 0715 and then forms 5B26 in platform 21. However the timetable shows 5B26 activities as DEF 0B26 which I think should actually be DER 0B26 as the timetable shows the loco routed West into Calton Tunnel before running through to the East End and reversing back to join 5B26. Is this correct or am I being a little bit stupid...not unusual for me.
The timetable is correct- the train arrives from Carstairs, heads through Haymarket and arrives at Edinburgh. The loco detaches from the front of the train (DEF:), and runs round.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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1B26/5B26/0B26 01/01/2016 at 20:32 #79465
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Can't find at present the WIKI page that had a diagram showing the WTT workings.
Found the page - http://www.simsig.co.uk/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=usertrack:ttuse:ttexplan&s[]=ttuse - I was looking for, it explains the differences in editing TTs via F2 and F4 keys.

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Last edited: 01/01/2016 at 20:36 by AndyG
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1B26/5B26/0B26 03/01/2016 at 22:07 #79546
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I said I may be stupid as I confused myself with directions, forgetting which side Carstairs is on. However this is in part due to the problem I was having. When 1B26 arrives I have 1B26 to the East and 5B26 to the West on Platform 21, checking the timetable (F2) shows 5B26 as detaching loco and 1B26 is no longer listed. If I wait until the loco has finished dividing I have to manually Cancel 1B26 and Interpose 0B26 at the East end (if I Cancel 1B26 before the loco has finished dividing then 0B26 appears at the West end of the platform and 5B26 at the East end). In the first situation the ARS does not set the route for 0B26 and there is no TRTS indication at the booked departure time. On manually setting the route into Calton Tunnel the 0B26 changes colour to the Non-ARS pink and checking the timetable (F2) I see the following "Ready to depart but 5B26 in front" i.e. trying to go West not East, hence my problem and my confusion.

Thanks for your information so far and as has been said detaching at the front is correct and therefore does not require editing. However, the detaching does not seem to be happening correctly. Am I missing something somewhere?

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1B26/5B26/0B26 03/01/2016 at 22:44 #79548
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Which WTT isit you're running?There was an issue with the sleepers on the 2006 TT for which I had a solution, but seems to have disappeared from WIKI.

The fix was to make 5B26 face down after detaching, so that both portions were facing down for the join,to guarantee the dropping off coaches was at the rear/left/up end.

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1B26/5B26/0B26 03/01/2016 at 23:06 #79549
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Which WTT isit you're running?There was an issue with the sleepers on the 2006 TT for which I had a solution, but seems to have disappeared from WIKI.

The fix was to make 5B26 face down after detaching, so that both portions were facing down for the join,to guarantee the dropping off coaches was at the rear/left/up end.
No carriages are detached from 5B26 on the 2006 TT, it's a simple run-round.

What version of the TT and simulation are you running? I've just tested it on the Payware version and the loco detaches correctly.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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1B26/5B26/0B26 04/01/2016 at 16:58 #79568
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Edinburgh Simulation version 3.238.2
Timetable;
Edinburgh August 2006 V3.238.3 (0445 start).

Last edited: 04/01/2016 at 19:28 by MisterH
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1B26/5B26/0B26 04/01/2016 at 17:31 #79569
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I had a bit of a problem with this too and tweaked the TT as follows. It does work! (but don't ask me how or why............)

1B26

Detach Front 0B26
Joins 0B26
Next Train 5B26

0B26

Joins 1B26
Next Train 5B26

Hope this helps.

N.

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1B26/5B26/0B26 04/01/2016 at 19:39 #79575
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This is the WIKI page I wrtote on the sleeper activities for the default WTT (August2006 V1.3) with the original pre-loader release.

Not sure whether it's still relevant to the current [strike]loader[/strike]payware version, but might give a couple of hints/tips.

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Last edited: 04/01/2016 at 21:54 by AndyG
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1B26/5B26/0B26 04/01/2016 at 21:45 #79585
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" said:
This is the WIKI page I wrtote on the sleeper activities for the default WTT (August2006 V1.3) with the original pre-loader release.

Not sure whether it's still relevant to the current loader version, but might give a couple of hints/tips.
The Loader version of Edinburgh hasn't been released yet. So far, there has been the original donationware version and the payware version.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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1B26/5B26/0B26 04/01/2016 at 21:53 #79586
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Oops, meant payware rather than loader.
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1B26/5B26/0B26 04/01/2016 at 22:16 #79588
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Oops, meant payware rather than loader.
Or was it a Freudian slip?

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