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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 11:45 #82499
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I noticed on viewing a very recent video of York Station in Youtube that platform 5 is actually split into 5a and 5b. This simulation seems to make no mention of this.

Secondly, entry to North Yard requires a telephone call but I do not see signal Y243 on the list of possible entry points. Can someone please explain why there is a list of signals which bear no relation to the entry point ?
The phone call list is set up so that you ring up for the end which the train will enter. So for the North Yard there are two options; "York Yard North (Y248)" and "York Yard North (Y253)". A train arriving into the Yard from Y243 will pass Y248 signal on the way in, and you need to ring up that end for permission.

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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 15:34 #82503
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Not sure if it's even a bug (and it may have been mentioned) but on the post 2012 layout, Y201's auto button applies for moves into the Holgate HLG line (Y211) and not main line moves to Y205
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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 15:54 #82506
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Not sure if it's even a bug (and it may have been mentioned) but on the post 2012 layout, Y201's auto button applies for moves into the Holgate HLG line (Y211) and not main line moves to Y205
Thanks - sort of was and this was the result: I picked the wrong route for auto working :doh

Fixed ready for the next version.

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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 17:00 #82510
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Not sure if this is a bug but I turned the ARS LColton sub-area off as I had a user using the Earfit Lane MWL but yet ARS still routed a train across the junction and crossing from signal 767 to 773.
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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 17:55 #82511
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Not sure if this is a bug but I turned the ARS LColton sub-area off as I had a user using the Earfit Lane MWL but yet ARS still routed a train across the junction and crossing from signal 767 to 773.
The Leeds lines over Colton North, and all of Colton South, are under the LCHFEFIT subarea; Colton Junction on the Main/Normanton and the Main lines over Colton North are under the LCOLTON subareas. Per real life.

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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 17:57 #82512
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Not sure if this is a bug but I turned the ARS LColton sub-area off as I had a user using the Earfit Lane MWL but yet ARS still routed a train across the junction and crossing from signal 767 to 773.
The Leeds lines over Colton North, and all of Colton South, are under the LCHFEFIT subarea; Colton Junction on the Main/Normanton and the Main lines over Colton North are under the LCOLTON subareas. Per real life.
If you have someone using a crossing you should be putting reminders on the protecting signals as turning the ARS off doesn't stop you routing a train over it in error

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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 19:53 #82514
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Not sure if this is a bug but I turned the ARS LColton sub-area off as I had a user using the Earfit Lane MWL but yet ARS still routed a train across the junction and crossing from signal 767 to 773.
The Leeds lines over Colton North, and all of Colton South, are under the LCHFEFIT subarea; Colton Junction on the Main/Normanton and the Main lines over Colton North are under the LCOLTON subareas. Per real life.
If you have someone using a crossing you should be putting reminders on the protecting signals as turning the ARS off doesn't stop you routing a train over it in error
I normally would but this time decided to just turn off ARS as the indication that the crossing is occupied, luckily they got across in time. :whistle:

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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 22:51 #82519
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I thnk I have just picked up an unreported bug. I have noticed that, if you try and interpose a train code on the Down Main platform at Northallerton then the code does not appear even if you enter one, which you can do. This occurs on both simulation eras.

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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 23:07 #82520
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I thnk I have just picked up an unreported bug. I have noticed that, if you try and interpose a train code on the Down Main platform at Northallerton then the code does not appear even if you enter one, which you can do. This occurs on both simulation eras.

Dave
Not a bug. It's a queue berth that applies to both signals.

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York North/South 18/05/2016 at 23:09 #82521
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I thnk I have just picked up an unreported bug. I have noticed that, if you try and interpose a train code on the Down Main platform at Northallerton then the code does not appear even if you enter one, which you can do. This occurs on both simulation eras.
In reality there are two berths, 0467 and 0476. The IECC/SimSig display shows whichever is occupied (preferring 0467 if both occupied). You can use the signals to interpose and cancel.

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York North/South 20/05/2016 at 10:30 #82548
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Multi-playing game, 1P04 to Malton sitting at signal 217 (York P5) misrouted straight ahead. Player on South decided not to wait for the call and threw the road back. ACOA phone call sent to North player, not the south player.
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York North/South 20/05/2016 at 10:58 #82550
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In the top-left corner, there is text "TEL" which is definitely in wrong place, if it's supposed to exist.
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York North/South 20/05/2016 at 12:06 #82552
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In the top-left corner, there is text "TEL" which is definitely in wrong place, if it's supposed to exist.
Already mentioned in posts #15&16 in this thread

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York North/South 20/05/2016 at 14:47 #82553
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In the top-left corner, there is text "TEL" which is definitely in wrong place, if it's supposed to exist.
Already mentioned in posts #15&16 in this thread
Whoops, didn't notice... :whistle:

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York North/South 20/05/2016 at 20:17 #82556
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Going back to the youtube videos of York station, I notice that there is a wide empty space between platforms 3 and 5 and I was wondering if there was once additional roads, which fitted between these platform roads before the layout was rationalised.
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York North/South 21/05/2016 at 10:45 #82565
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Many thanks Geoff et al. for releasing another classic 'childhood' area. I know there will be many hours of enjoyment spent on it.

A couple of things I would say which is almost a simulation request - I can't contribute any data etc but would there be the potential to simulate the mechanical boxes on the line to Scarborough? It would be fantastic to see this and could form part of a larger 'NE Yorkshire' sim down to Hull and back to Selby.

With regard to chaining etc I noticed that the sim boundary here is Malton and not somewhere intermediate (i.e. Strensall). There are other locations between Malton and York (Haxby, Kirkham Abbey, etc) and I wondered why these weren't simulated if Malton was the exit point.

Finally is there any reason why many trains 'terminate' when they leave the area of F4 and not 'exit'?

Many thanks again for a great sim.

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York North/South 21/05/2016 at 11:21 #82566
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Many thanks Geoff et al. for releasing another classic 'childhood' area. I know there will be many hours of enjoyment spent on it.

A couple of things I would say which is almost a simulation request - I can't contribute any data etc but would there be the potential to simulate the mechanical boxes on the line to Scarborough? It would be fantastic to see this and could form part of a larger 'NE Yorkshire' sim down to Hull and back to Selby.

With regard to chaining etc I noticed that the sim boundary here is Malton and not somewhere intermediate (i.e. Strensall). There are other locations between Malton and York (Haxby, Kirkham Abbey, etc) and I wondered why these weren't simulated if Malton was the exit point.

Finally is there any reason why many trains 'terminate' when they leave the area of F4 and not 'exit'?

Many thanks again for a great sim.
Malton was picked as it's a mandatory timing point (all trains have it in their timetable). The external box data is heavily simplified. Given there's nearly 40 crossings between Malton station and Scarborough Branch Jn there's a lot going on. Malton box itself has 25 crossings, all to the east of the station.


Haxby is just a couple of CCTV crossings.

Trains terminate because the location is not marked as 'external', Mantis 15353.

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York North/South 21/05/2016 at 16:05 #82575
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Finally is there any reason why many trains 'terminate' when they leave the area of F4 and not 'exit'?
[...] Trains terminate because the location is not marked as 'external', Mantis 15353.
I believe Peter is referring to the F4 option of sort by exit location. All locations that should be external are marked as such, otherwise the timetable analyser would have picked them up. 15353 summarily rejected.

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York North/South 21/05/2016 at 16:22 #82576
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Finally is there any reason why many trains 'terminate' when they leave the area of F4 and not 'exit'?
[...] Trains terminate because the location is not marked as 'external', Mantis 15353.
I believe Peter is referring to the F4 option of sort by exit location. All locations that should be external are marked as such, otherwise the timetable analyser would have picked them up. 15353 summarily rejected. :P
I did sort by exit location, I assumed that was the cause!

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York North/South 23/05/2016 at 19:18 #82607
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Something I've noticed is Springhall AHB's protecting signals have slots for Low Gates to release. Why is this the case for an AHB? I can only think it allows low gates to hold them at red if the crossing is faulty/blocked/other but I would have thought the slot would be left off 99% of the time with the signal clearing straight away, whereas it currently functions like an MCB.

Also theres no apparent slotting arrangement for setting a route onto th LOS at Low gates. Does this reflect reality?

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York North/South 23/05/2016 at 21:04 #82610
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Springwell Lane telephones go to Low Gates which is presumably why it's slotted.

As for the LOS, I haven't found a signaller who has ever used it and can thus explain the procedure.

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York North/South 23/05/2016 at 21:05 #82611
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http://photos.signalling.org/picture?/12717/category/1224-2008

Photo shows the slot in the off position without the route called.

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York North/South 24/05/2016 at 16:17 #82615
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Not sure if this is a bug but when you set a route into the one of the platforms at York without using the warner route then the overlap sets correctly but then once the train has passed the signal if you set the route again using the warner route the overlap then drops to the warner over lap despite it not previously dropping out which means you could in a sense cheat the overlap out. I've noticed this will signal 300 to 222 and 213 to 223 but I think other signals may do it as well.
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York North/South 24/05/2016 at 16:38 #82617
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This occurs for every example I tried on York - and also examples I tried on other sims! For example, 329-331 on Wembley Mainline (Down Slow at Kensal Green) behaves the same. It therefore looks like this is, perhaps unsurprisingly, a core code issue.
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