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Cardiff SX 25 05 2016 16/03/2017 at 15:19 #93657
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Cardiff SX 25 05 2016

This thread is for discussion of the Cardiff SX 25 05 2016 timetable.

"Platform 7 your Penarth service. Platform 6 your Treherbert!"
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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 02:25 #93887
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1430 Timetable

2R14 not used has no inward working would of been the next working of 2P55 from 0430 and midnight TT's

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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 02:40 #93890
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mark265 in post 93887 said:
1430 Timetable

2R14 not used has no inward working would of been the next working of 2P55 from 0430 and midnight TT's
Missed that one too. Grrrr. Mantis 17043!

Sorry guys, I am in the business of making people wait!
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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 11:37 #93907
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I forget the TDs, but in the early-ish morning (6am?) a down 4xxx and a 6xxx run in essentially the same path from Ebbw Jn (Relief Lines) to Bridgend. Given that the TT is supposedly "what ran on the day", did NR's planning office make a mistake and run both?
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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 11:47 #93908
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Danny252 in post 93907 said:
I forget the TDs, but in the early-ish morning (6am?) a down 4xxx and a 6xxx run in essentially the same path from Ebbw Jn (Relief Lines) to Bridgend. Given that the TT is supposedly "what ran on the day", did NR's planning office make a mistake and run both?
Quite possibly they ran both, I'll leave that for the timetable gurus to look at.

"Platform 7 your Penarth service. Platform 6 your Treherbert!"
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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 11:49 #93909
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Danny252 in post 93907 said:
I forget the TDs, but in the early-ish morning (6am?) a down 4xxx and a 6xxx run in essentially the same path from Ebbw Jn (Relief Lines) to Bridgend. Given that the TT is supposedly "what ran on the day", did NR's planning office make a mistake and run both?
I belive you are referencing
4G05 Ebbw Jnc DN Relief enters 0719
6V49 Ebbw Jnc DN Relief enters 0720

No rules to say mutually exclusive or alternatives
These trains would be in the 0000 and 0430 starts

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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 12:43 #93911
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Mod Note - The timetable is correct

Playing this from 0445 and have noticed that 2S04 which is down as 06:02:00 Taunton-Cardiff Central GWR (DMU Class 150 (2 Car)) arrives into Cardiff at 08:24 and becomes 5C69 should actually be 2P04 as 2S04 is 0706 Cardiff Bay to Cardiff Queen Street

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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 13:13 #93913
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Jezzabusdriver in post 93911 said:
Playing this from 0445 and have noticed that 2S04 which is down as 06:02:00 Taunton-Cardiff Central GWR (DMU Class 150 (2 Car)) arrives into Cardiff at 08:24 and becomes 5C69 should actually be 2P04 as 2S04 is 0706 Cardiff Bay to Cardiff Queen Street
There are 3 2S04 2 from cardiff bay 0706 (UID P16977) and 1706 (UID P16975)
and the 2S04 that enters at Ebbw Jnc at 0811 (UID C42801)

Cardiff has a lot of duplicate TD as there are a lot of train that repeat
it could be that the 2S04 that enters at Ebbw Jnc, correct as sometimes in a regualar pattern of TD's you do get an odd one out.

From what I can see the 2S04's next workings are all correct.

as an example in Cambridge sim 1Rxx can be either Norwich to Cambridge or King's Cross to Royston and a couple of those are duplicated.

And you can get an out of sequence TD for trains that have a different start/finish or different route to rest of day for trains that operate at certian times of day agin on Cambridge.

Cambridge to Ipswich are normally 2Wxx but once a day in you get a 2Axx.

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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 13:16 #93914
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Jezzabusdriver in post 93911 said:
Playing this from 0445 and have noticed that 2S04 which is down as 06:02:00 Taunton-Cardiff Central GWR (DMU Class 150 (2 Car)) arrives into Cardiff at 08:24 and becomes 5C69 should actually be 2P04 as 2S04 is 0706 Cardiff Bay to Cardiff Queen Street
I would agree that the 06:02 Taunton to Cardiff service "should" be 2P04. However, this train doesn't fit into the standard pattern of headcodes and workings, and 2S04 is correct.

See http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C42801/2016/05/26/advanced

God bless, Daniel Wilson
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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 13:31 #93915
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Jezzabusdriver in post 93911 said:
Playing this from 0445 and have noticed that 2S04 which is down as 06:02:00 Taunton-Cardiff Central GWR (DMU Class 150 (2 Car)) arrives into Cardiff at 08:24 and becomes 5C69 should actually be 2P04 as 2S04 is 0706 Cardiff Bay to Cardiff Queen Street
The first Taunton - Cardiff has been 2S04 for many years - 'S' not 'U' as per the others as it goes via Bristol Parkway (reverse) rather than direct over the Up/Down Bristol. It was changed to a 2Pxx train ID in the December 2016 timetable change to make it consistent with Cross Country's early morning Bristol - Cardiff which operates over the same route.

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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 13:46 #93916
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Ah I see, sorry didn't realise as I am not from down that way and have never really focused on train movements down there :-)
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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 15:58 #93917
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mark265 in post 93909 said:
Danny252 in post 93907 said:
I forget the TDs, but in the early-ish morning (6am?) a down 4xxx and a 6xxx run in essentially the same path from Ebbw Jn (Relief Lines) to Bridgend. Given that the TT is supposedly "what ran on the day", did NR's planning office make a mistake and run both?
I belive you are referencing
4G05 Ebbw Jnc DN Relief enters 0719
6V49 Ebbw Jnc DN Relief enters 0720

No rules to say mutually exclusive or alternatives
These trains would be in the 0000 and 0430 starts
That's the ones - I wanted to note it before I forgot, but didn't have any Simsig handy to check!

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Cardiff Weekday SX 25 05 2016 20/03/2017 at 16:28 #93919
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Danny252 in post 93907 said:
I forget the TDs, but in the early-ish morning (6am?) a down 4xxx and a 6xxx run in essentially the same path from Ebbw Jn (Relief Lines) to Bridgend. Given that the TT is supposedly "what ran on the day", did NR's planning office make a mistake and run both?
Both did run on the day

4G05 was a STP path which passed Ebbw Jcn @ 0655 (24E) then passing Bridgend @ 0745 (19E)

6V49 was a VAR path which passed Ebbw Jcn @ 0719 (1E) then passing Bridgend @ 0801 (3E)

HTH

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