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Sheffield 1986 29/12/2009 at 18:44 #456
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(drumroll...)

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased to announce that after over 2 years of development a beta version of the SHEFFIELD 1986 TIMETABLE is now available for download!

It is, as I said, only a beta version as yet; some of the latest corrections are untested, and some Q/Y-timetabled services with conflicting paths have not been marked as exclusive. You may download the release notes, or a zipfile containing: the release notes, a spreadsheet containing the passenger timetable and an overview of the freight timetable, and, of course, the timetable itself in SimSig and ConvData formats.

Feel free to contact me if you have any queries or suggestions, but please read the release notes first. If you would like to submit patches, I'd appreciate it if you converted your version to the ConvData text format before sending them to me; it will make it much easier for me to work out what your changes are.

Enough of all that, though: I hope you enjoy this early look at the timetable. It includes plenty of loco-hauled working, engine changes and rounding moves to keep the operator busy; there's a lot more shunting than the modern timetable, but on the other hand there are far fewer trains for you to have to worry about. Overall, it's probably easier than the modern timetable, but it requires different skills to be good at.

To download it, please go to http://www.symbolicforest.com/simsig/ - then sit down and enjoy it. Have fun.

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Sheffield 1986 29/12/2009 at 18:44 #5401
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(drumroll...)

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased to announce that after over 2 years of development a beta version of the SHEFFIELD 1986 TIMETABLE is now available for download!

It is, as I said, only a beta version as yet; some of the latest corrections are untested, and some Q/Y-timetabled services with conflicting paths have not been marked as exclusive. You may download the release notes, or a zipfile containing: the release notes, a spreadsheet containing the passenger timetable and an overview of the freight timetable, and, of course, the timetable itself in SimSig and ConvData formats.

Feel free to contact me if you have any queries or suggestions, but please read the release notes first. If you would like to submit patches, I'd appreciate it if you converted your version to the ConvData text format before sending them to me; it will make it much easier for me to work out what your changes are.

Enough of all that, though: I hope you enjoy this early look at the timetable. It includes plenty of loco-hauled working, engine changes and rounding moves to keep the operator busy; there's a lot more shunting than the modern timetable, but on the other hand there are far fewer trains for you to have to worry about. Overall, it's probably easier than the modern timetable, but it requires different skills to be good at.

To download it, please go to http://www.symbolicforest.com/simsig/ - then sit down and enjoy it. Have fun.

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Sheffield 1986 29/12/2009 at 20:08 #5404
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Looks good after first hour so far. Should be popular for multiplay.
Many thanks for your work.

I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either.
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Sheffield 1986 29/12/2009 at 22:40 #5407
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Looks good, only issue I have is with 0E01, it just goes and sits in the HS1 sidings.. is it suppose to do that or turn into another service?
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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 01:38 #5409
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Forest Pines, thanks for producing and uploading this t/t, looks very, very good indeed & I cannot wait to give it my full attention.

I have just had a quick go to see what is what, and had a large number of trains (both passenger (1+2) & freight (4+9)) enter frightfully early, some 7 hours, some 23 hours! I have about 10 trains in the controlling area as soon as I open the t/t to the Sheffield sim.

Is it just me, or has anyone else experienced these anomolies?

Thanks in advance

Paul

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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 10:21 #5412
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jamie said:
0E01, it just goes and sits in the HS1 sidings
That's fine; I couldn't find anything else for it to do. Presumably there should be a trip working for it to go to Tinsley or Barrow Hill, but there's nothing in the timetable.

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a large number of trains (both passenger (1+2) & freight (4+9)) enter frightfully early, some 7 hours, some 23 hours! I have about 10 trains in the controlling area as soon as I open the t/t to the Sheffield sim.
I've not noticed that happening to me at all. A lot of trains do enter the area on startup, though, or shortly afterwards. There might be some confusion somewhere between trains with similar headcodes that run 24 hours apart. Can you give me any specific train IDs?

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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 11:19 #5415
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Forest Pines,

Just fired up Sheffield and your 86 t/t, here is what entered the area...

1E26 2152 Grantham-Sheffield = 23:13 early
2B32 2033 Lincoln Central-Sheffield = 21:35 early
2E38 0950 Manchester Piccadilly-Sheffield = 10:35 early
2G15 0834 Leeds-Sheffield = 09:39 early
4E76A 0240 FL Soton MCT-Leeds FLT = 07:38 early
5J921 2335 Tinsley-Sheffield = On time
5J951 0120 Sheffield-Tinsley = On time
6D49 1252 COY Masborough FD-Scunthorpe BSC Ent C = 12:51 early
6E35 1735 SX Speedlink Severn Beach ICI-Dringhouses NY = 00:07 early
6E381 2121 SX Bescot Down SS-Belmont Up Reception = On time
6E57 1734 COY Earles Sidings-Healey Mills NY = 17:33 early
6M94 0830 Speedlink Barrow Hill-Toton Old Bank = 08:29 early
9D44A 1447 COY Tinsley-North Lincoln Junction = 14:46 early
9D44B2 1454 Sheffield FD-North Lincoln Junction = 14:55 early
9J28 1540 GUS Healey Mills NY-Tinsley NY = 16:24 early
9J71 2325 GUS Belmont Down Yard-Tinsley NY = 23:24 early
9L28 1903 GUS Tinsley NY-Healey Mills NY = 19:02 early

Hope this helps

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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 15:19 #5419
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I've checked over that list, and all the trains on it seem to be entered in the timetable properly. I've also tried running the first 30 minutes of the timetable and I can't seem to reproduce the problem: running on normal difficulty, nothing seems to be entering the area unusually early.
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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 15:31 #5420
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Strange.

I just deleted the timetable & downloaded it again, and yet when I open it to start the t/t again, I get the same problem. I cant explain it, especially if you are having no issues at all.

If it helps I am running Sheffield v2.132.2.995, which as far as I am aware is the latest version.

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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 15:35 #5421
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Very strange. That's the same version of Sheffield that I'm using. I have double-checked, too, that the timetable on my PC is definitely the one that I uploaded to the website.
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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 15:40 #5422
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Oh well. I know this is a beta t/t, and will wait for the next release, shame really.
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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 17:06 #5425
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I dont get any trains entering early and im on the same version, its playing out fine at the moment for me, even did a Multiplayer earlier with some friends and it worked fine.
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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 17:44 #5426
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No probs here either, just up to 02:00. Great t/t.
cliff cook
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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 19:30 #5428
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no probs from me either and i have reached 03.30

excerlant tt

thank you for your hard work

yours

paul

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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 19:32 #5429
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How very unusual. I deleted my Sheffield sim and re-loaded but still having problems.
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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 20:07 #5430
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Forest Pines, I'm up to 0600am & my I say this timetable is very good. Most of the freight trains I have encountered so far are the same in my 1983/1984 Timetable which I am currently compiling. The light engine which has no more further working could go LD to Tinsley TMD as 0J03 or could send it to Sheffield HS instead. It is interesting to see how you've dealt with trains going to Tinsley yard west end with a reverse move at Woodburn Jn after attaching a loco onto the rear of the train. I on the other hand in my timetable sent the train into Woodhouse Jn Sdgs for the trains to RR, then depart from there with another RR move at Westhorpe RR & then into Tinsley yard east end via Treeton South, Treeton Jn & Catcliffe Jn. I've also done this in reverse for train departing Tinsley yard & run via Kiveton. I haven't looked into the re-fueling of DMUs though at Tinsley TMD until I speak to some collegues I used to work with who worked there on the maintenance side. I was intending to use Darnall TMD, but have got to check when it closed first. All things considered I think you've done an excellent Job with this timetable. I salute you for that. If it helps I can give you a list of Tinsley yard trip workings, these are the same ones I'm using in my timetable, however the lit is dated 1985, but it's the nearest I've got to my 1983/84 timetable. Let me know if you want the same list.
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Sheffield 1986 30/12/2009 at 20:25 #5431
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Looks like I have cracked it guys, I was trying to run the t/t from a folder on my desktop to start with. By saving the t/t to the actual simulation, it seems to be operating as it should, happy days :cool:
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Sheffield 1986 31/12/2009 at 10:04 #5437
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Thanks to everyone for the comments so far!

58050 said:
I haven't looked into the re-fueling of DMUs though at Tinsley TMD until I speak to some collegues I used to work with who worked there on the maintenance side.
The 5Jxx DMU refuelling workings are all booked moves in the mandatory WTT. It distinguishes the single air-braked DMU refuelling trip from the others, which should give you an idea what length of time was allowed for refuelling. 5M29 and 0Z000 are fictional; as far as I can tell the stock for 1M29 would have been berthed in the station overnight.

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Sheffield 1986 31/12/2009 at 11:46 #5441
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Forest Pines, I'm working from the 1983/84 WTT for section 'YE' WTT & the nearest section 'YC' I've got is dated May 87-May 88 & in neither of these are there any moves for units between Sheffield statuin & Tinsley TMD or visa versa. That doesn't mean that you are not wrong in what you've done. When I was loco controller for EWS between 1998 - 2001 I worked with a chap on the Maintrol desk who was a fitter at Tinsley TMD & the former Depot Engineer at Tinsley TMD when it closed came to work with them at the CSDC at Doncaster & in all the discussions we had over the years, not once was there evr any talk regarding the fuelling of DMUs there. In 1995 when I transferred from Stratford to Nottingham in the Mainline Freight loco control we when Loadhaul, Mainline Freight & Transrail amalgamated into EWS I then dealt with all freight locos in the East Midlands, Yorkshire, Humberside & the North East with the exception of the RfD & RES loco fleets. I started as a Senior Traction Controller at Liverpool Street Regional Control Office in Sept 1990 & used to regularly soeaking to the RfD Fleet Co-Ordinator based in the Regional Control Office at York & the subject of DMU re-fuelling at Tinsley was never discussed even when we were discussing which loco within the Anglia Region Had to head back home to Tinsley for pre-assigned exam or maintenance. However it is likely that this did happen. I've always rightly or wrongly assumed the DMUs working around Sheffield were re-fuelled at Sheffield station or Darnall shed when it was open. Tinsley TMD always being too busy dealing with mainline locos rather than getting cluttered up with units. If you are able could you e-mail me re-fuelling moves for units between Tinsley TMD & Sheffield station & I may in-corporate them in my 1983/84 Sheffield timetable. In return I am happy to let you have the list of Tinsley yard trips that I am using in my timetable. I'm finding this aspect of your 1986 timetable most intriguing after spending 11 years as a Regional traction controller & I've never seen a photograph of DMUs re-fuelling at Tinsley TMD, maybe there are some on the internet somewhere.
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Sheffield 1986 31/12/2009 at 12:04 #5442
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Back in the days of the Old Simsig Message Board, I vaguely remember asking generally "what are all these 5Jxx DMU ECS moves between Sheffield and Tinsley TMD for?", and someone replied "aah, that would be for refuelling the DMUs following the closure of Darnall CS". They're all in Section YE; I'll put together a list of them and send you an email.
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Sheffield 1986 31/12/2009 at 12:29 #5444
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Thanks for that Forest Pines, Do you want a list of Tinsley yard trip workings dated 1985? One other question, when did Darnall CS close?
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Sheffield 1986 31/12/2009 at 12:35 #5445
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Please send it - it would be an interesting read, and I'm sure the workings for 1986 would have been fairly similar.

I'm not entirely sure when Darnall closed myself - it was mentioned in the discussion on the old message board, and I think the date given there was 83 or 84. I've found another website that gives its closure date as '87, but I don't believe it, as there's absolutely no reference to it anywhere in the Summer '86 YE or YJ timetables - I know it wasn't in YE's area, but I'd at least expect to see ECS moves to/from Darnall, and there aren't any.

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Sheffield 1986 31/12/2009 at 14:56 #5446
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Darnall shut in 1984, and was used as a Wagon Repair works for a couple of years.
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Sheffield 1986 31/12/2009 at 17:32 #5451
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FP,
Just out of curiosity, why have you split through trains with loco changes into 2 seperate trains. The one I have now (3E08) is shown as 3081 to SHF, then as 3E08 from SHF with the loco splitting off of 1 & frsh loco attaching to the other. It would be easier for users if it was shown as 1 train with just DF 0E081, J 0E082 sown at the SHF station stop.

Other than that it's nice to have a tt for the 1980's layout and is certainly getting the grey cells working..

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Sheffield 1986 31/12/2009 at 18:01 #5452
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In that specific case: 3E08 changes timing load at Sheffield; so the second train will have a different acceleration characteristic. According to what Pascal has written elsewhere on the forum, the change in timing load should be due to it detaching vans at Sheffield; but it's not marked as detaching at Sheffield, only changing load.

(the reason it changes engine is that 0E08 is in the WTT, so I thought I'd better use it for something!)

There are other cases where trains are split like this for the same reason, and others, which shunt, which are done to make sure activities happen in the right order.

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