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The new and forthcoming sims :) 14/11/2017 at 18:47 #102894
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Looking forwards to these being released and getting my hands (Mouse?) on them.
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The new and forthcoming sims :) 14/11/2017 at 18:52 #102895
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GeoffM in post 102889 said:
We have now added a 1990 era but please note it is a compromise solution but should not detract too much. In essence:
- The sim covers the same area in that era, so Bolton and Styal are both included (they were not in 1990)
- The Altrincham branch is just the first couple of signals in each direction plus approach berth
(snip)

We decided that the Altrincham branch, being mostly automatic signals with a single emergency crossover, was not beneficial simulating in full. In addition to that we had two incomplete sources of signal numbers that contradict each other. So we made the decision to include the branch for only a couple of signal sections such that trains can be run. The entry point will be at Sale.

Hopefully that addresses all the concerns!
Brilliant news Geoff, for which many thanks. One question, what's the minimum interval between trains possible if the entry point is at Sale? In the 1990 rush-hours, even after the Chester DMUs were diverted via Stockport, services were every 7-10 minutes, with a running time from Sale to Old Trafford typically of 8 minutes. Would an entry point of Stretford work better?

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The new and forthcoming sims :) 14/11/2017 at 19:30 #102897
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whatlep in post 102895 said:
Brilliant news Geoff, for which many thanks. One question, what's the minimum interval between trains possible if the entry point is at Sale? In the 1990 rush-hours, even after the Chester DMUs were diverted via Stockport, services were every 7-10 minutes, with a running time from Sale to Old Trafford typically of 8 minutes. Would an entry point of Stretford work better?
There are off-screen signal sections. The reason Sale was chosen was because 58050 located an old WTT for me and trains seemed to be timed at Cornbrook, Sale, and Deansgate as a minimum. Stretford would require those using WTTs to guesstimate an entry time.

The sim probably has an effective headway of 3-4 minutes.

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The new and forthcoming sims :) 15/11/2017 at 01:11 #102903
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GeoffM in post 102897 said:
whatlep in post 102895 said:
Brilliant news Geoff, for which many thanks. One question, what's the minimum interval between trains possible if the entry point is at Sale? In the 1990 rush-hours, even after the Chester DMUs were diverted via Stockport, services were every 7-10 minutes, with a running time from Sale to Old Trafford typically of 8 minutes. Would an entry point of Stretford work better?
There are off-screen signal sections. The reason Sale was chosen was because 58050 located an old WTT for me and trains seemed to be timed at Cornbrook, Sale, and Deansgate as a minimum. Stretford would require those using WTTs to guesstimate an entry time.

The sim probably has an effective headway of 3-4 minutes.
Fair enough, though FYI all trains after then DMUs went AWOL were timed at all stations. FWIW I can't find any headways worse than 7 minutes. Thank you very much for producing a 1990 version so quickly. As a repentant sinner, I now commit to buying both M/cr Picc and M/cr North as soon as they are released.

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The new and forthcoming sims :) 15/11/2017 at 03:01 #102907
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whatlep in post 102903 said:
Fair enough, though FYI all trains after then DMUs went AWOL were timed at all stations. FWIW I can't find any headways worse than 7 minutes. Thank you very much for producing a 1990 version so quickly. As a repentant sinner, I now commit to buying both M/cr Picc and M/cr North as soon as they are released.
I think there was an hourly Chester<->Oxford Road service in 1988 which only stopped at Sale along that particular stretch. I say I think because I only have a few pages of it showing about a 45 minute window. The other services seem to be all stations Altrincham<->Alderley Edge or Hazel Grove. Section CM if anyone can confirm/deny.

No problem adding the era, though it entailed a bit more than I thought! However, I'm hoping somebody will use it to produce a 1980s/early 1990s timetable for Manchester Piccadilly as only the 2015 one will come with the simulation on release day.

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The new and forthcoming sims :) 15/11/2017 at 06:37 #102910
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GeoffM in post 102907 said:
whatlep in post 102903 said:
Fair enough, though FYI all trains after then DMUs went AWOL were timed at all stations. FWIW I can't find any headways worse than 7 minutes. Thank you very much for producing a 1990 version so quickly. As a repentant sinner, I now commit to buying both M/cr Picc and M/cr North as soon as they are released.
I think there was an hourly Chester<->Oxford Road service in 1988 which only stopped at Sale along that particular stretch. I say I think because I only have a few pages of it showing about a 45 minute window. The other services seem to be all stations Altrincham<->Alderley Edge or Hazel Grove. Section CM if anyone can confirm/deny.

No problem adding the era, though it entailed a bit more than I thought! However, I'm hoping somebody will use it to produce a 1980s/early 1990s timetable for Manchester Piccadilly as only the 2015 one will come with the simulation on release day.
I believe I have a couple of All-Line timetables from the 80s somewhere in the loft which I can dig out if it'd help.

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The new and forthcoming sims :) 15/11/2017 at 10:56 #102911
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GeoffM in post 102907 said:
whatlep in post 102903 said:
Fair enough, though FYI all trains after then DMUs went AWOL were timed at all stations. FWIW I can't find any headways worse than 7 minutes. Thank you very much for producing a 1990 version so quickly. As a repentant sinner, I now commit to buying both M/cr Picc and M/cr North as soon as they are released.
I think there was an hourly Chester<->Oxford Road service in 1988 which only stopped at Sale along that particular stretch. I say I think because I only have a few pages of it showing about a 45 minute window. The other services seem to be all stations Altrincham<->Alderley Edge or Hazel Grove. Section CM if anyone can confirm/deny.

No problem adding the era, though it entailed a bit more than I thought! However, I'm hoping somebody will use it to produce a 1980s/early 1990s timetable for Manchester Piccadilly as only the 2015 one will come with the simulation on release day.
The Chester DMUs were rerouted via Stockport on weekdays from the May 1989 timetable change, so only featured on Piccadilly PSB on weekdays between Oct 15th 1988 and May 14th 1989. On Sundays they were routed via Sale for a year longer. Commuters voted with their feet (or rather tyres) as a result of the extended journey times...

The WTT identifiers were CM (passenger) and CZ (freight) in the 1970s/80s, but were merged in 1989 to become CE, covring all workings. In addition, there was CN which provided detailed information for the section between Ardwick and Cornbrook Jn, including platforming information at Piccadilly. I have CE for both 1989-1990 and 1990-1991 and CZ for 1988-89 should they be useful to anyone. I'll have a shot at producing a timetable myself if nobody beats me to it, though Oxford timetables are my priority at the moment.

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The new and forthcoming sims :) 15/11/2017 at 12:21 #102915
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Geoff I will write a 1992 timetable for Manc'r Pic & Manc'r North as I have the Arrival & Departure Book for Manc'r Picc as well as the Trainload Freight 1992 Trip Notice for the North West & North Wales. The A&D book gives stock formations & unit diagrams to boot. I also have a 1987 Arrival & Departure book for Manchester Oxford Road & come to think of it that book might well give the timings for units heading out towards Altrincham in it. I'll check. But firther to that there were a set of WTTs which are somewhat more difficult to get hold of these days & they are Section CN & Section CQ. Section CNs actually give all the platform numbers the trains in the WTT are booked to call at as they only cover a short distance from the main station. Section CN WTT of passenger & parcels train services between Cornbrook Junction, Manchester Oxford Road, Piccadilly & Slade Lane Junction. In my collection I have 01st June 1981 to 16th May, 1982, 17th May 1982 to 15th May 1983, 16th May 1983 to 13th May 1984, 14th May 1984 to 12th May 1985, 13th May 1985 to 11th May 1986, 12th May 1986 to 10th May 1987 & 11th May 1987 to 15th May 1988. So technically I could do a 1980s era timetable for any of that period. I'd probably choose 1986 or 1987 because I said I mentioned earlier I do have a Manchester Oxford Road A&D book for 1987 when the Sheffield - Lvpool LS - Sheffield loco hauled services ran & stopped there or a 1986-1987 timetable as I also have a 1986 Manchester Victoria station working book. Manchester Victoria also had a special WTT like the Section CN & that was Section CQ which covered Windsor Bridge, Manchester Victoria, Red Bank, Cheetham Hill, Thorpes Bridge Jn & Newton Heath & that also listed the actual booked platform numbers in it whre the train were booked to call at. In regards to Section CQ WTTs I only have 4 of those & they are from 14th May 1979 to 11th May 19680, 17th May 1982 to 15th May 1983, 16th ay 1983 to 13th May 1984 & 12th May 1986 to 10th May 1987.
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The new and forthcoming sims :) 15/11/2017 at 12:51 #102919
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Whilst searching for my Manchester Oxford Road A&D book I came across a set of A&D books I have for Manc'r Picc for Saturdays & Sundays Oct 1988 to May 1989. The book lists all the calling points of each train & also an arrival time in brackets. The Alderley Edge - Altricham Cl.2 services are shown as EMU so for example: 2H31 1030 SO Alderley Edge - Altrincham timings as shown in book:-
Mmanc'r Picc arr. 10.57 dep. 22.00 P14
Manc'r Oxford Rd arr. 11.02
Deansgate arr. 11.05
Old Trafford arr. 11.08
Warwick Rd arr. 11.10
Stretford arr. 11.12
Dane Road arr. 11.15
Sale arr. 11.16
Brooklands arr. 11.18
Timperley arr. 11.21
Navigation Rd arr. 11.23
Altrincham arr. 11.25
If this helps.

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The new and forthcoming sims :) 15/11/2017 at 13:08 #102920
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58050 in post 102915 said:
Geoff I will write a 1992 timetable for Manc'r Pic & Manc'r North as I have the Arrival & Departure Book for Manc'r Picc as well as the Trainload Freight 1992 Trip Notice for the North West & North Wales. (snip)there were a set of WTTs which are somewhat more difficult to get hold of these days & they are Section CN & Section CQ. (snip)
You may wish to consider joining the Railway Correspondence & Travel Society. They have a very comprehensive set of WTTs which are available to members to loan.

I'd be happy to assist testing any 1980s/90s timetables for both M/cr North & Piccadilly. I knew both very well in that era.

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The new and forthcoming sims :) 15/11/2017 at 18:44 #102928
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I'll now enter the timings for a DMU working having now found my Arrival & Departure book for Manchester Oxford Road which covers the dates 11th May to 04th October, 1987. Listed below are the timings for a DMU working 2D47 1000 EWD Manchester Oxford Road - Chester.
Manc'r Oxford Rd dep. 10.08 P2
Sale arr. 10.08
Altrincham arr. 10.13

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The new and forthcoming sims :) 15/11/2017 at 19:39 #102932
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58050 in post 102928 said:
I'll now enter the timings for a DMU working having now found my Arrival & Departure book for Manchester Oxford Road which covers the dates 11th May to 04th October, 1987. Listed below are the timings for a DMU working 2D47 1000 EWD Manchester Oxford Road - Chester.
Manc'r Oxford Rd dep. 10.08 P2
Sale arr. 10.08
Altrincham arr. 10.13
In case they are of use, timings for the inbound morning rush-hour, taken from WTT CM for 1987-88.




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