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Derby Resignalling 2018

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Derby Resignalling 2018 10/12/2017 at 12:37 #103856
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Not sure if this has been picked up before,but there is an interesting article here: https://www.railengineer.uk/2017/08/25/79-days-at-derby-in-2018/
on the forthcoming remodeling at Derby next year.

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Derby Resignalling 2018 10/12/2017 at 13:55 #103861
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The station yard was taken OOU last weekend (03/12 or 04/12). Goods lines have been under possession all this week to facilitate lifting of the station yard, and I believe the Goods lines from LNW Jn to Derby North Jn are to be taken OOU tomorrow 11/12.
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Derby Resignalling 2018 11/12/2017 at 10:08 #103880
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Hi all,

Progress is progress and this is badly overdue with a layout not now suited at all to modern traffic flows but I couldn't help a tinge of sadness when I read this.

I spent ten of the happiest years of my railway career on the back desk at Derby in the 80s and 90s, with a great bunch of signallers (or was it signalmen then?). Rarely have I had a job in the operational side of the railway that I would have turned up and done for nothing but this was one of them.

It was just fun to be there - great craic and the job getting done well. I thought back to all of the characters I knew from that time, many of them no longer with us and wishing I could do back in time and do it all again.

Great times..

Vince

I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me
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Derby Resignalling 2018 11/12/2017 at 23:14 #103887
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Pity simulations prove it adds time to a couple of routes I'm told
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Derby Resignalling 2018 12/12/2017 at 02:20 #103888
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Guts in post 103887 said:
Pity simulations prove it adds time to a couple of routes I'm told
That's normal for transitions from relay interlockings to CBI. It's one of the reasons why Birmingham New Street has hung on for so long - that and slower VDU-based mouse/trackerball control than NX push button panels.

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Derby Resignalling 2018 14/12/2017 at 22:19 #103952
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Phil-jmw in post 103861 said:
The station yard was taken OOU last weekend (03/12 or 04/12). Goods lines have been under possession all this week to facilitate lifting of the station yard, and I believe the Goods lines from LNW Jn to Derby North Jn are to be taken OOU tomorrow 11/12.
Goods lines were still in use today, but they can't have many days left.

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Derby Resignalling 2018 14/12/2017 at 22:21 #103953
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VInce in post 103880 said:
Hi all,

Progress is progress and this is badly overdue with a layout not now suited at all to modern traffic flows but I couldn't help a tinge of sadness when I read this.

I spent ten of the happiest years of my railway career on the back desk at Derby in the 80s and 90s, with a great bunch of signallers (or was it signalmen then?). Rarely have I had a job in the operational side of the railway that I would have turned up and done for nothing but this was one of them.

It was just fun to be there - great craic and the job getting done well. I thought back to all of the characters I knew from that time, many of them no longer with us and wishing I could do back in time and do it all again.

Great times..

Vince
Great times indeed Vince. We took the job seriously but we sure had plenty of laughs while we did it. 10 years of my career spent there too and I don't regret a day of it.


Phil.

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Derby Resignalling 2018 15/12/2017 at 03:23 #103964
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I am watching it all from my office
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Derby Resignalling 2018 16/12/2017 at 20:48 #104133
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Chrisrail in post 103964 said:
I am watching it all from my office
Best you give us a daily report?

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Derby Resignalling 2018 17/12/2017 at 20:44 #104186
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GeoffM in post 103888 said:
Guts in post 103887 said:
Pity simulations prove it adds time to a couple of routes I'm told
That's normal for transitions from relay interlockings to CBI. It's one of the reasons why Birmingham New Street has hung on for so long - that and slower VDU-based mouse/trackerball control than NX push button panels.
I'm glad you wrote that because when I try to explain this to everyone they just think I'm stuck in the stone-age.

My friend is one of the lead signalling engineers on this project. They keep talking about overlaps because the new systems don't like working without them.

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Derby Resignalling 2018 17/12/2017 at 20:54 #104189
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Guts in post 104186 said:
GeoffM in post 103888 said:
Guts in post 103887 said:
Pity simulations prove it adds time to a couple of routes I'm told
That's normal for transitions from relay interlockings to CBI. It's one of the reasons why Birmingham New Street has hung on for so long - that and slower VDU-based mouse/trackerball control than NX push button panels.
I'm glad you wrote that because when I try to explain this to everyone they just think I'm stuck in the stone-age.
But it's DIGITAL! It MUST be better!


"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Derby Resignalling 2018 19/12/2017 at 12:28 #104239
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I would have thought it has more to do with the engineering derogations that must be sought not to provide the overlap in the first place. Birmingham New Street will present a similar challenge when that is done.
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Derby Resignalling 2018 20/12/2017 at 09:36 #104261
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TomOF in post 104239 said:
I would have thought it has more to do with the engineering derogations that must be sought not to provide the overlap in the first place. Birmingham New Street will present a similar challenge when that is done.
I'm given to understand every signal at BNS and on the approaches will require a derogation.

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Derby Resignalling 2018 20/12/2017 at 11:36 #104265
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kbarber in post 104261 said:
TomOF in post 104239 said:
I would have thought it has more to do with the engineering derogations that must be sought not to provide the overlap in the first place. Birmingham New Street will present a similar challenge when that is done.
I'm given to understand every signal at BNS and on the approaches will require a derogation.
Yes, but my understanding is the time you save in a small linespeed increase with an overlap, is lost in the amount of services that can operate waiting for those same overlaps to die out.

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Derby Resignalling 2018 09/02/2018 at 23:49 #105793
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Network Rail video showing planned work & closures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_ewpQ5aUOw

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