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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 07/11/2019 at 23:10 #121536
Phil-jmw
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Looking for advice please. How can I amend a freight train's or light loco's schedule so that it doesn't wait until booked time to depart a given location? I have 0H55 running a few mins early, booked to depart Guide Bridge at 0217 into the yard after changing ends. In reality, as long as the yard has accepted him and he has the signal, he would normally depart into the yard as soon as he's changed ends and got his air back up, which does happen in many other TT's, but in this one the dvr stubbornly waits for booked time, which is generally unrealistic. What do I need to amend to make this happen?

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Phil.

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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 07/11/2019 at 23:45 #121537
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Not a foolproof method but you can set the timing at Guide Bridge as "set down only". This does not force the loco to move early but it often will.

I raised this issue on Mantis on 11/09/2017 (#17852) as a Proposal (Request for comments). I suggested that there should be an option to force departure as soon as circumstances permit. To date there have been no comments or feedback.

"No question is too stupid, there are just some stupid answers" - Dr. Michael Reece, 12/08/1927 - 03/06/2019. Electrical engineer and inventor
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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 08/11/2019 at 00:03 #121538
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postal in post 121537 said:
Not a foolproof method but you can set the timing at Guide Bridge as "set down only". This does not force the loco to move early but it often will.

I raised this issue on Mantis on 11/09/2017 (#17852) as a Proposal (Request for comments). I suggested that there should be an option to force departure as soon as circumstances permit. To date there have been no comments or feedback.
Thanks for the reply Postal. 0H55 is in the yard now, but the next opportunity I get I'll give your suggestion a try. Thanks also for previously raising it on Mantis. Aside from when a driver wants to make a cup of tea or take his full PNB (in which case he'd tell the signalman not to pull off), in my experience when the signal comes off they're on the move.

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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 08/11/2019 at 00:54 #121539
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postal in post 121537 said:
Not a foolproof method but you can set the timing at Guide Bridge as "set down only". This does not force the loco to move early but it often will.

I raised this issue on Mantis on 11/09/2017 (#17852) as a Proposal (Request for comments). I suggested that there should be an option to force departure as soon as circumstances permit. To date there have been no comments or feedback.
As has been explained to you over and over again, a lack of response implies nothing: it's in the queue for consideration.

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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 08/11/2019 at 08:37 #121541
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Phil-jmw in post 121538 said:
postal in post 121537 said:
Not a foolproof method but you can set the timing at Guide Bridge as "set down only". This does not force the loco to move early but it often will.

I raised this issue on Mantis on 11/09/2017 (#17852) as a Proposal (Request for comments). I suggested that there should be an option to force departure as soon as circumstances permit. To date there have been no comments or feedback.
Thanks for the reply Postal. 0H55 is in the yard now, but the next opportunity I get I'll give your suggestion a try. Thanks also for previously raising it on Mantis. Aside from when a driver wants to make a cup of tea or take his full PNB (in which case he'd tell the signalman not to pull off), in my experience when the signal comes off they're on the move.
Surely in this case he'd want to get into the yard ASAP to get an early start to his PNB (or perhaps a few minutes early book-off, or even to be there in time for that juicy bit of overtime the TCS has hanging around).

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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 08/11/2019 at 09:15 #121542
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GeoffM in post 121539 said:
postal in post 121537 said:
Not a foolproof method but you can set the timing at Guide Bridge as "set down only". This does not force the loco to move early but it often will.

I raised this issue on Mantis on 11/09/2017 (#17852) as a Proposal (Request for comments). I suggested that there should be an option to force departure as soon as circumstances permit. To date there have been no comments or feedback.
As has been explained to you over and over again, a lack of response implies nothing: it's in the queue for consideration.
I was making a statement of fact so that the OP was aware of the situation. I was not implying anything else.

"No question is too stupid, there are just some stupid answers" - Dr. Michael Reece, 12/08/1927 - 03/06/2019. Electrical engineer and inventor
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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 08/11/2019 at 13:33 #121543
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I thought set down only didn't affect CL. 0,3,4,6-0 anyway and they trey every stop as set down only. Or am I mistaken?
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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 08/11/2019 at 17:14 #121547
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It was my understanding that Cl. 0 waited for time but I have been known to be wrong!
"No question is too stupid, there are just some stupid answers" - Dr. Michael Reece, 12/08/1927 - 03/06/2019. Electrical engineer and inventor
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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 08/11/2019 at 18:58 #121548
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postal in post 121537 said:
Not a foolproof method but you can set the timing at Guide Bridge as "set down only". This does not force the loco to move early but it often will.

I raised this issue on Mantis on 11/09/2017 (#17852) as a Proposal (Request for comments). I suggested that there should be an option to force departure as soon as circumstances permit. To date there have been no comments or feedback.
I think this is definitely in the “It will be ready when it’s ready” category. A bit like Crossrail me thinks.

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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 08/11/2019 at 19:15 #121549
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Looking at this a little closer, it should be possible to clear the line earlier in the event of early running.

I'm thinking something along the lines of matching the timetabled reversing time as a custom dwell time with a set down stop as well.

So in the case of an early running 0H55 it would still get the 5 min reversal but then be able to depart as soon as the dwell expires.

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Manchester East SX 08 04 2015 08/11/2019 at 19:44 #121550
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Meld in post 121549 said:
Looking at this a little closer, it should be possible to clear the line earlier in the event of early running.

I'm thinking something along the lines of matching the timetabled reversing time as a custom dwell time with a set down stop as well.

So in the case of an early running 0H55 it would still get the 5 min reversal but then be able to depart as soon as the dwell expires.
That's the problem, though. "Able to depart" does not mean "will depart" which is where the reality and SimSig sometimes diverge.

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