Upcoming Games


Full list
Add a game

Upcoming Events

We are not planning any more in-person events until the COVID-19 situation has improved.

Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015

You are here: Home > Forum > Simulations > Timetables > Manchester Piccadilly > Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015

Page 1 of 2

Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 31/03/2018 at 21:10 #107155
headshot119
Avatar
3753 posts
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015

This thread is for discussion of the Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 timetable.

"As the last track dropped, and the route became free, came the cry BROMLEY " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 31/03/2018 at 21:12 #107156
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
Timetable updates now available via check for updates.
Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 01/04/2018 at 12:14 #107178
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
Apologies for last nights update having a few minor errors in v1.1 which wouldnt affect the running. A new update to v1.1.2 will be available later today correcting these issues.
Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 01/04/2018 at 19:40 #107199
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
Timetables now updated to v1.1.2 now available via check for updates
Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 05/04/2018 at 11:02 #107312
Jezzabusdriver
Avatar
75 posts
Not to sure if this has been mentioned or not, but on the timetable I have started at 04:45 but 4M33 - 23:15 Ripple Lane FLT - Barton Dock Road is duplicated so you have 2 trains with the same head code running behind each other as you will see I the included screenshots




Post has attachments. Log in to view them.
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 05/04/2018 at 11:11 #107314
MarkC
Avatar
953 posts
Jezzabusdriver in post 107312 said:
Not to sure if this has been mentioned or not, but on the timetable I have started at 04:45 but 4M33 - 23:15 Ripple Lane FLT - Barton Dock Road is duplicated so you have 2 trains with the same head code running behind each other as you will see I the included screenshots



Mantis #0020093
Confirmed rules/Decision missing for 4M33

It's not my fault! I was left unsupervised.
Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: Jezzabusdriver
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 05/04/2018 at 12:28 #107316
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
Doh!!! Totally my fault, tried to be a little too quick with the decisions and forgot to set them up to the services. TT v 1.1.3 will be available later today.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank MarkC for the work on the decisions used in this series of timetables, as well as fixing them for v 1.1.3

Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Log in to reply
The following users said thank you: MarkC, phil1044
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 05/04/2018 at 12:47 #107317
HST125Scorton
Avatar
635 posts
I'm either confused or lost in the world of Manchester Sims!!..
I'm sure there was a post regarding the GBRf Biomass Trains relating to Manchester East or North, regarding missing from the timetable? If I'm right in speaking they use the Chat Moss overnight to/from Liverpool/Drax until services start where Cl4s go to Liverpool via Manc Vic and Chat Moss and 6s go to Stockport via Warrington/Acton Bridge/Northwich then to Manchester East ect. So I guess the Biomass timetables are missing from Piccadilly from Man Vic, Ordsall Lane Jn to Chat Moss.. I posted a link below I know its not 2015 instead today of 2018 but I'm sure they went via Manchester Vic/Picc Sims during the early hours in 2015 unless it was changed?? If you know more let me know as I'm really confused.

http://www.railtables.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/railtables/WTT/May15/CZ/CZ08.pdf
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/ORDSLLJ/2018/04/05/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=freight&order=wtt

Aaron (AJRO)
Last edited: 05/04/2018 at 12:53 by HST125Scorton
Reason: More Links

Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 05/04/2018 at 14:36 #107320
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
All the Biomass are there - the bulk in the day ran via Vitriol Works Baguley Fold, Guide Bridge, Heaton Norris, Stockport & Northenden Jcn in the supplied data.

I think the overnight running via Piccadilly would be when planned overnight engineering takes place. Unfortuntely on the week the data was acquired theses diverts were off.

That being said if I copme across any data that will allow me to add extra paths in it could appear in a future update

Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 08/04/2018 at 14:14 #107387
phil1044
Avatar
81 posts
Has the updated TT been downloaded yet, just i've just ran it again and i'm still getting 4M33 twice.
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 08/04/2018 at 14:16 #107388
MarkC
Avatar
953 posts
phil1044 in post 107387 said:
Has the updated TT been downloaded yet, just i've just ran it again and i'm still getting 4M33 twice.
It has not been updated yet, you should get a red new above "Check for updates" when something new is avilible for downloading.

It's not my fault! I was left unsupervised.
Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: phil1044
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 08/07/2018 at 21:19 #110150
dmaze
Avatar
85 posts
6J34 (10:58 Runcorn Folly Lane (FLHH)-Brindle Heath R.T.S. (FLHH)) and 6M07 (11:09 Scunthorpe Roxby Gullet FH-Brindle Heath R.T.S. (FLHH)) both enter on the Down Salford line from Manchester Victoria around 15:00. Both are booked to occupy the Brindle Heath refuse siding; I probably should only be seeing one or the other.

Looking at 6M07's timetable, it's also scheduled for DCF: E6E07 when it arrives at Brindle Heath, which probably has an extra "E" on the front. (...except it's in the timetable listing, so this will probably actually work, it just looks strange.)

This is on the Manchester Piccadilly 080415 0000 Start TT, marked in the loader as (Version 1.1 build 3).

Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 08/07/2018 at 21:34 #110152
headshot119
Avatar
3753 posts
dmaze in post 110150 said:
6J34 (10:58 Runcorn Folly Lane (FLHH)-Brindle Heath R.T.S. (FLHH)) and 6M07 (11:09 Scunthorpe Roxby Gullet FH-Brindle Heath R.T.S. (FLHH)) both enter on the Down Salford line from Manchester Victoria around 15:00. Both are booked to occupy the Brindle Heath refuse siding; I probably should only be seeing one or the other.

Looking at 6M07's timetable, it's also scheduled for DCF: E6E07 when it arrives at Brindle Heath, which probably has an extra "E" on the front. (...except it's in the timetable listing, so this will probably actually work, it just looks strange.)

This is on the Manchester Piccadilly 080415 0000 Start TT, marked in the loader as (Version 1.1 build 3).
The E as a prefix is correct. It's due to the train splitting wagons off to fit.

"As the last track dropped, and the route became free, came the cry BROMLEY " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 09/07/2018 at 05:23 #110163
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
As Karl said above - the 'E' prefix in this case is to denote a stock detach without any loco.

'E' prefixes on UID's are used to signify schedules that are additional to Network Rail data and have been added to the overall data file to prevent having to manually input them into sim after each import during TT construction.

Yes there should be a decision to cover 6M07/6J34 on Picc, it looks like the decisions are only in North at the moment,nut wil have to wait till; next week for a fix on Piccadilly after I get back from the Sydney meet.

Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Last edited: 09/07/2018 at 05:25 by Meld
Reason: None given

Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: dmaze
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 26/06/2020 at 10:41 #128065
vloris
Avatar
36 posts
Just started a new game under the new v5 loader and Manchester Piccadilly with this bundled timetable.

I have 5H18 sitting at Manchester Piccadilly station (entered 00:20), waiting for 5H16 to join, only 5H16 is not timetabled to enter until 24:12, nearly a full day later.

Probably one of these trains (5H16 or 5H18) needs it's entry-time shifted by 24 hours.

Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 26/06/2020 at 11:03 #128071
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
vloris in post 128065 said:
Just started a new game under the new v5 loader and Manchester Piccadilly with this bundled timetable.

I have 5H18 sitting at Manchester Piccadilly station (entered 00:20), waiting for 5H16 to join, only 5H16 is not timetabled to enter until 24:12, nearly a full day later.

Probably one of these trains (5H16 or 5H18) needs it's entry-time shifted by 24 hours.
There was a fair bit of work involved in merging the original 3 timetables and validation worked so it slipped through the holes, there should be 2 lots of these trains, the 2 at 0012 & 0020 and a later pair at 2412 & 2420 which have been added with an E suffix on the original UID. Corrected and added to TTver 5.1

Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Log in to reply
The following users said thank you: vloris, Trainfan344
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 27/07/2020 at 23:31 #130034
grahamj42
Avatar
121 posts
5J19 is routed via the Up Bolton at Salford Crescent, which is impossible.
The timetable nevertheless validates.

This confuses ARS, which sets the route into platform 1 and then continues on the Up Bolton from 508 to 502.

Post has attachments. Log in to view them.
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 27/07/2020 at 23:35 #130035
headshot119
Avatar
3753 posts
grahamj42 in post 130034 said:
5J19 is routed via the Up Bolton at Salford Crescent, which is impossible.
The timetable nevertheless validates.

This confuses ARS, which sets the route into platform 1 and then continues on the Up Bolton from 508 to 502.
Thanks reported as 31229 on Mantis.

"As the last track dropped, and the route became free, came the cry BROMLEY " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 28/07/2020 at 18:25 #130083
GeoffM
Avatar
5221 posts
Online
grahamj42 in post 130034 said:
5J19 is routed via the Up Bolton at Salford Crescent, which is impossible.
The timetable nevertheless validates.

This confuses ARS, which sets the route into platform 1 and then continues on the Up Bolton from 508 to 502.
I checked the source (CIF extract from Network Rail) and that has UB for two iterations and platform 1 for the third iteration (different run days). So it's a NR timetable planning error - but we'll fix it anyway.

SimSig Boss
Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: grahamj42
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 28/07/2020 at 18:45 #130084
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
Fixed in next version
Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Log in to reply
The following users said thank you: GeoffM, grahamj42
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 29/07/2020 at 21:09 #130131
grahamj42
Avatar
121 posts
The same thing happens with 3S50/H1219A which is booked to turn at Piccadilly P3 and depart on the East Line.
Instead of taking the via "D" and crossing to the Fast, ARS sets a route to 320 on the East and continues from 324 on the Fast.

Last edited: 29/07/2020 at 21:22 by grahamj42
Reason: Added UID

Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 08/08/2020 at 22:05 #130503
grahamj42
Avatar
121 posts
2N54/Y52361 ent. 22:03 is misrouted by ARS at Ordsall Lane Junction.

The timetable as loaded has no line information for this step. When validated or loaded by ARS, Path=CL and Line=BL, which seems correct, but ARS routes the train via the Down Chat Moss.

Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 08/08/2020 at 22:13 #130504
grahamj42
Avatar
121 posts
Just noticed that 6E41 (on the panel at the same time) which follows the Chat Moss Line from Eccles to Victoria is shown as routed CL, BL at Ordsall Lane, but ARS correctly routes it CL, CL.
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 09/08/2020 at 13:01 #130523
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
grahamj42 in post 130131 said:
The same thing happens with 3S50/H1219A which is booked to turn at Piccadilly P3 and depart on the East Line.
Instead of taking the via "D" and crossing to the Fast, ARS sets a route to 320 on the East and continues from 324 on the Fast.
Checked the CIF extract used for the TT and Man Picc FL/3/EL - ARS setting correct routing

Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Log in to reply
Manchester Piccadilly SX 08 04 2015 09/08/2020 at 13:36 #130524
Meld
Avatar
765 posts
grahamj42 in post 130503 said:
2N54/Y52361 ent. 22:03 is misrouted by ARS at Ordsall Lane Junction.

The timetable as loaded has no line information for this step. When validated or loaded by ARS, Path=CL and Line=BL, which seems correct, but ARS routes the train via the Down Chat Moss.

Just noticed that 6E41 (on the panel at the same time) which follows the Chat Moss Line from Eccles to Victoria is shown as routed CL, BL at Ordsall Lane, but ARS correctly routes it CL, CL.
Two posts for the price of one here, 2N54 will need a little deeper dive looks more like ARS at fault, but ARS also sets the route from 503 to Salford Crescent P2 which would be correct.

6E41 doesnt help calling the route across Ordsall Lane early, it should be giving priorty to 2N54 (seperate issue though mantis 31321) However line code amended to CL

Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
Log in to reply
The following user said thank you: grahamj42