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Brighton Down Sidings 22/04/2018 at 18:47 #107657
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Starting to create a timetable for the May 20th timetable change. Lots of ECS Services (Like this) go to Brighton Down Sidings. I tried to route trains via the goods line, into the neck, reverse into the Down Sidings. However, the driver phones and says unsuitable traction. Tried allowing the train on goods line but no luck. Whats the best solution for routing the Class 700s into the sidings?
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Brighton Down Sidings 23/04/2018 at 00:06 #107662
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I think those sidings are newer than the sim. I don't believe they were electrified before, hence the traction issue.
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Brighton Down Sidings 23/04/2018 at 01:25 #107663
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GeoffM in post 107662 said:
I think those sidings are newer than the sim. I don't believe they were electrified before, hence the traction issue.
Geoff your absolutely bang on, the “old top yard” wasn’t electrified, where as the new “Down Main sidings” and approaches are now obviously are.

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Brighton Down Sidings 23/04/2018 at 19:56 #107667
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Your doing exactly the same as me! It would be great if they could be configured to work with third rail - currently, no matter what traction type is set, the sidings will not work.
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Brighton Down Sidings 23/04/2018 at 21:23 #107668
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Requested an update. Mantis #20216 applies.

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Brighton Down Sidings 23/04/2018 at 21:23 #107669
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Sorry but there are currently no plans to update the sim with the newer track layout.
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Brighton Down Sidings 24/04/2018 at 09:54 #107670
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Agent_Squash in post 107667 said:
Your doing exactly the same as me! It would be great if they could be configured to work with third rail - currently, no matter what traction type is set, the sidings will not work.
To clarrify. Have you set traction on the incoming service to diesel as well as the ECS move? Trains cant magically change traction once in sim, even if they change timetables.
(they csn start emergency diesel engine but im not counting that)

Otherwise, if youre saying trains wont enter the sidings regardless then theres a serious sim issue

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Brighton Down Sidings 24/04/2018 at 20:39 #107682
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Unfortunately it doesn't work after setting the train to run with diesel traction. Guess Lovers Walk will be doubly busy
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Brighton Down Sidings 24/04/2018 at 20:50 #107683
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ProfessorStupid in post 107682 said:
Unfortunately it doesn't work after setting the train to run with diesel traction. Guess Lovers Walk will be doubly busy ;)
Did you set just the ECS working to diesel or did you set BOTH the incoming working and The ECS to diesel. A train that enters the sim as an electic only Cannot be made into diesel even if the TT says the stock traction is diesel.

As mentioned above A train cannot change traction once it enters a sim even if the TT says diesel, so if a train enters and the TT says stock with 3DC, the next working TT says stock is Diesel, The next working will still be 3DC as that is the traction of the incoming train.

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Brighton Down Sidings 25/04/2018 at 21:09 #107699
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There are some lovely rules for using the sidings depending on if the PIC person in charge is on duty or not.

For trains going into the siding, if there is a person in charge you will be required to speak to them first before letting a train in. If no one is on duty then signal normally.

For trains leaving the sidings, if the person in charge is on duty they will call and what trains are ready to depart. If no one is on duty then the drivers will either use the TRTS, SG on the GSMR or voice comms on the GSMR.

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Brighton Down Sidings 05/05/2018 at 08:39 #107831
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MarkC in post 107683 said:
ProfessorStupid in post 107682 said:
Unfortunately it doesn't work after setting the train to run with diesel traction. Guess Lovers Walk will be doubly busy ;)
Did you set just the ECS working to diesel or did you set BOTH the incoming working and The ECS to diesel. A train that enters the sim as an electic only Cannot be made into diesel even if the TT says the stock traction is diesel.

As mentioned above A train cannot change traction once it enters a sim even if the TT says diesel, so if a train enters and the TT says stock with 3DC, the next working TT says stock is Diesel, The next working will still be 3DC as that is the traction of the incoming train.
I set the class 700s to be diesel

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Brighton Down Sidings 05/05/2018 at 09:12 #107833
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ProfessorStupid in post 107831 said:
MarkC in post 107683 said:
ProfessorStupid in post 107682 said:
Unfortunately it doesn't work after setting the train to run with diesel traction. Guess Lovers Walk will be doubly busy ;)
Did you set just the ECS working to diesel or did you set BOTH the incoming working and The ECS to diesel. A train that enters the sim as an electic only Cannot be made into diesel even if the TT says the stock traction is diesel.

As mentioned above A train cannot change traction once it enters a sim even if the TT says diesel, so if a train enters and the TT says stock with 3DC, the next working TT says stock is Diesel, The next working will still be 3DC as that is the traction of the incoming train.
I set the class 700s to be diesel
Did a train (or linked set of workings) formed of Cl. 700 stock then enter the sim after the traction type change was made to the train type and call wrong traction? That would be a definite bug.

If the train (or one of its predecessors in a linked set of workings) is already in sim when you edited the train type, then the train in sim is not affected and retains the traction type it had on entry. The traction type is retained for trains in sim whether you edit the train type through the TT editor, the individual train through the TT editor or the individual train through the "edit timetable" option from the F2 screen. Could you just clarify that point, please.

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Brighton Down Sidings 09/05/2018 at 20:19 #107893
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postal in post 107833 said:
ProfessorStupid in post 107831 said:
MarkC in post 107683 said:
ProfessorStupid in post 107682 said:
Unfortunately it doesn't work after setting the train to run with diesel traction. Guess Lovers Walk will be doubly busy ;)
Did you set just the ECS working to diesel or did you set BOTH the incoming working and The ECS to diesel. A train that enters the sim as an electic only Cannot be made into diesel even if the TT says the stock traction is diesel.

As mentioned above A train cannot change traction once it enters a sim even if the TT says diesel, so if a train enters and the TT says stock with 3DC, the next working TT says stock is Diesel, The next working will still be 3DC as that is the traction of the incoming train.
I set the class 700s to be diesel
Did a train (or linked set of workings) formed of Cl. 700 stock then enter the sim after the traction type change was made to the train type and call wrong traction? That would be a definite bug.

If the train (or one of its predecessors in a linked set of workings) is already in sim when you edited the train type, then the train in sim is not affected and retains the traction type it had on entry. The traction type is retained for trains in sim whether you edit the train type through the TT editor, the individual train through the TT editor or the individual train through the "edit timetable" option from the F2 screen. Could you just clarify that point, please.
99% sure it was changed before any trains were seeded. I'll run the simulation again.

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Brighton Down Sidings 20/05/2018 at 20:17 #108125
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Tried again with no luck (Checked with the F2 -> edit train menu, Train Characteristics - > Power Types -> Diesel was selected) so I'm going to use Preston Park Sidings as the alternative for the time being. Thanks all for the suggestions.
Thomas

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Brighton Down Sidings 20/05/2018 at 21:45 #108128
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Mis-read the previous post so answered the wrong question.

Apologies.

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Brighton Down Sidings 23/05/2018 at 22:27 #108189
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ProfessorStupid in post 108125 said:
Tried again with no luck (Checked with the F2 -> edit train menu, Train Characteristics - > Power Types -> Diesel was selected) so I'm going to use Preston Park Sidings as the alternative for the time being. Thanks all for the suggestions.
Thomas
Just a thought - could you attach a copy of the TT you are using so that someone else can test it and try and find the answer to the problem?

"Many a man can save himself if he admits he's done wrong and takes his punishment." - Henrik Ibsen, Swedish playwright, 03/08/1829 - 05/11/1907
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