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The Signalman's reply 15/08/2018 at 14:41 #111060
bugsy
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This may seem a bit trivial and may have been mentioned in a previous post, but couldn't the signallers in the sim be a bit more polite?

Every time that a level crossing user phones the signaller to advise him that they have finished using the crossing, the signaller just says 'OK'

I'm sure that in real life, the signaller would perhaps even crack a joke, but at least say 'thanks' or 'thank you' Or maybe they don't. I don't know.

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The Signalman's reply 15/08/2018 at 15:54 #111062
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In real life you are correct, the process of arranging for line block and line clear would be a bit more wordy, but the salient points of Safety Critical communication is to be clear, precise and to the point. Without splitting hairs over calls that may be found on line or any real life odd examples, you wouldn't make a joke in such calls.
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The Signalman's reply 15/08/2018 at 16:13 #111063
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"Why are you herding your sheep across the line at 3 o'clock in the morning" might be a fair question!
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The Signalman's reply 15/08/2018 at 16:54 #111065
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WesternChampion in post 111063 said:
"Why are you herding your sheep across the line at 3 o'clock in the morning" might be a fair question!
While a very reasonable question, I can’t see any signaller having a problem with it if it means the same sheep won’t be getting in the way of rush hour traffic!

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The Signalman's reply 15/08/2018 at 17:11 #111066
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wellgroomed in post 111062 said:
Without splitting hairs over calls that may be found on line or any real life odd examples, you wouldn't make a joke in such calls.
People might like to read RAIB report 08/2017 (Dock Lane).

"At 13:23:23 hrs, the signaller answered a call from the car driver at Dock Lane UWC-T, who requested “Three rhino to go across – 72 seconds”. The signaller repeated the message back to the caller and immediately gave permission to cross, stating “safe to cross”."

"The car driver was a frequent user of Dock Lane crossing, and was well known to the signallers. She was always good natured on the phone and always asked for 72 seconds to cross with some form of wild animal. Signallers recognised that her requests were light hearted and that she would be crossing with a vehicle and would require sufficient time to cross with it."

(This was a "near miss" and neither the driver nor the three rhinos were hurt.)

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The Signalman's reply 15/08/2018 at 17:25 #111068
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clive in post 111066 said:
People might like to read RAIB report 08/2017 (Dock Lane).
https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/near-miss-at-dock-lane-level-crossing

One interesting point is that the signaller received 133 calls from 17 different crossings in 7 hours; 21 in the hour leading up to the near miss. Certainly more of a crossing coordinator position than a signalling position, as it were!

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The Signalman's reply 15/08/2018 at 19:39 #111077
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bugsy in post 111060 said:
This may seem a bit trivial and may have been mentioned in a previous post, but couldn't the signallers in the sim be a bit more polite?

Every time that a level crossing user phones the signaller to advise him that they have finished using the crossing, the signaller just says 'OK'

I'm sure that in real life, the signaller would perhaps even crack a joke, but at least say 'thanks' or 'thank you' Or maybe they don't. I don't know.
"Right ta" was the standard reply in Bristol PSB.

Kev

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The Signalman's reply 15/08/2018 at 19:42 #111078
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clive in post 111066 said:
wellgroomed in post 111062 said:
Without splitting hairs over calls that may be found on line or any real life odd examples, you wouldn't make a joke in such calls.
People might like to read RAIB report 08/2017 (Dock Lane).

"At 13:23:23 hrs, the signaller answered a call from the car driver at Dock Lane UWC-T, who requested “Three rhino to go across – 72 seconds”. The signaller repeated the message back to the caller and immediately gave permission to cross, stating “safe to cross”."

"The car driver was a frequent user of Dock Lane crossing, and was well known to the signallers. She was always good natured on the phone and always asked for 72 seconds to cross with some form of wild animal. Signallers recognised that her requests were light hearted and that she would be crossing with a vehicle and would require sufficient time to cross with it."

(This was a "near miss" and neither the driver nor the three rhinos were hurt.)
I read that report.
That's the kind of comment I meant when I used the incorrect description 'joke'

In actual fact, I've been reading some of the RAIB reports. Quite an interesting "near miss" at Egmanton level crossing, Nottinghamshire in 2017.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733438/R112018_180809_Egmanton.pdf

Anyway, I digress.

The point is, would it be possible to amend the signaller’s reply in the sims to something a bit more akin to those in real life?

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Last edited: 15/08/2018 at 19:54 by bugsy
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