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Cathcart Released 17/10/2018 at 20:54 #112712
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GeoffM in post 112710 said:
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Ive just made the initial wikipage with the link to the manual and difficulty rating. I thought it was time for somebody to make it after having been out for just over a month.
I'm not entirely clear what the purpose of this page is when it appears you copied a chunk of the original manual, added a difficulty section, and misspelled Peter's name?

https://www.simsig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=simulations:cathcart
https://www.simsig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:areainfo:cathcart

If you can add to the existing manual then great.

[Edit] It's been pointed out to me that there are a number of pages like this. I'll rephrase to "I'm not sure of the purpose of this whole section" then.
For me personally, I do appreciate the areainfo section of the Wiki very much when it includes a nice, full size image of the simulation. In the old days when you had to go and find a sim and download it in order to open it up these pages were really useful for deciding on which sim to play next and it meant you didn't have to install any exe sims to check them out, or clutter up your loader menu with loads of sims you didn't even have licenses for or any intention of playing (in those days of course, sims you didn't have licenses for weren't shown in pink). Now, of course, sims basically download themselves and it may seem like these pages are a little redundant. But I still really appreciate them, because it can take time to load up a sim and comparing three or four at a time in order to decide what to buy is so much easier when you can just have the pictures open in some tabs in your browser. Unfortunately no such image has been added to Catchart's new page, but I definitely like this whole section. I also found the difficulty rating a nice little guide when I was new to SimSig, although I disagree with some of the classifications. As it happens I was only just a few minutes ago whiling away some of my precious, limited time on earth flicking through this section of the wiki, and I definitely think Portsmouth deserves an intermediate rating and I'd nominate Salisbury and WembleySub for consideration for promotion too :P
Hmm yes, but my point was why there are separate pages that duplicate much of the manuals themselves. Why not put the pictures and anything not currently in the manual into the manual?
I added the page as it was linked in the main areainfo page and I thought it deserved to have its page after being out for over a month. I admit it isn't fully done to the quality I would normally see for these pages but I didn't have the time when I sorted it out to gone into full depth into making the page. The main thing is getting it there so others can make the edits without having to do the whole page from the beginning.

As for the typo that would mean that it is spelt wrong in other pages as well as I had went to one of the other pages to get that section. When I get the time I will go through them all and check.

As for the description being copied from the manual I did not have the time to go round and gather the information to fully write it without saying what was in the manual which itself doesn't have much in.

I find this area really useful with the images, difficulty and weather it is free or paid when choosing what sim to play.

Edit: it was Plymouth where I copied the credits section from to keep the style. I have gone and corrected Peter's name there as well as in Cathcart

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Cathcart Released 17/10/2018 at 21:06 #112713
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GeoffM in post 112708 said:
[Edit] It's been pointed out to me that there are a number of pages like this. I'll rephrase to "I'm not sure of the purpose of this whole section" then.
As I've written almost all of them, I'll explain:

Around four years ago, I put a major effort into structuring the user manuals on the site. We had manuals spread across three different namespaces, and they all needed moving into the 'Simulations' one. However, some simulations had pages in the style of the 'areainfo' pages. I can't remember where this style of page came from: it may be a hangover of the original 'Help' application bundled with the early generation simulations. Before I re-structured everything, I sought opinions on what to do with these pages. Read the resulting thread here.

Taking an average of all the different opinions expressed, I created the 'areainfo' namespace. The pages are classed by difficulty, contain a brief description of the area- size, location, typical traffic patterns and so on, to give a flavour of the area, and summarise the stand-out features of the simulation. As new simulations have been released, I've added new pages. Generally, I don't copy and paste straight from the manual. The information is provided in a consistent way for all simulations: unlike the current 'Products' pages.

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Hmm yes, but my point was why there are separate pages that duplicate much of the manuals themselves. Why not put the pictures and anything not currently in the manual into the manual?
With all Developers following a different style in the user manuals (and some having multiple styles depending on when the simulation was written), inserting something that's both consistent and quick to find if comparing different simulations would be difficult.

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Cathcart Released 17/10/2018 at 21:44 #112714
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Steamer in post 112713 said:
As new simulations have been released, I've added new pages. Generally, I don't copy and paste straight from the manual. The information is provided in a consistent way for all simulations: unlike the current 'Products' pages.

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Hmm yes, but my point was why there are separate pages that duplicate much of the manuals themselves. Why not put the pictures and anything not currently in the manual into the manual?
With all Developers following a different style in the user manuals (and some having multiple styles depending on when the simulation was written), inserting something that's both consistent and quick to find if comparing different simulations would be difficult.
I have rewritten the Cathcart areainfo page now that I have had the time free to do it. Unfortunately I haven't been able to do the image as I do not know how the image is made.

Something that intrigues me is that in the sim for connecting to external signal boxes showing Glasgow Central when there isn't a Glasgow Central sim.

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Cathcart Released 17/10/2018 at 21:51 #112715
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SamTDS in post 112714 said:

I have rewritten the Cathcart areainfo page now that I have had the time free to do it. Unfortunately I haven't been able to do the image as I do not know how the image is made.

Something that intrigues me is that in the sim for connecting to external signal boxes showing Glasgow Central when there isn't a Glasgow Central sim.
That's common across all sims, it just shows what the adjacent sim may be in the future.

"James Street, Moorfields, Liverpool Lime Street and Liverpool Central"
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Cathcart Released 17/10/2018 at 22:01 #112716
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headshot119 in post 112715 said:
SamTDS in post 112714 said:

I have rewritten the Cathcart areainfo page now that I have had the time free to do it. Unfortunately I haven't been able to do the image as I do not know how the image is made.

Something that intrigues me is that in the sim for connecting to external signal boxes showing Glasgow Central when there isn't a Glasgow Central sim.
That's common across all sims, it just shows what the adjacent sim may be in the future.
good to know, I did good to not add it into the page because i couldnt find it yet the sim said it.

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