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Port Talbot FAQ 28/10/2018 at 12:49 #112909
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Port Talbot Frequently Asked Questions

Do you think you've found a bug? Or do you have a problem running the simulation, check through this thread first.

Remember timetables are dealt with in the relevant timetable thread.

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Port Talbot SX 08 04 2015 29/10/2018 at 14:48 #112961
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Currently up to 0553, only issue so far is 5L34 which, after going through Swansea carriage washer then towards the Dn Goods to reverse behind 462 Sig, does not change ends but instead calls up from 549 Sig, so had to instruct dvr to reverse.
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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 14:53 #112962
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Fixed for 1.0.2 simulation version
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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 16:59 #112969
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Will MCB-OD crossings be simulated in future?

And how do they actually work? I know about the obstacle detection technology but does the signaller still have to manually lower gates or do they work automatically if a route is set?

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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 17:02 #112970
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Shaun in post 112969 said:
Will MCB-OD crossings be simulated in future?

And how do they actually work? I know about the obstacle detection technology but does the signaller still have to manually lower gates or do they work automatically if a route is set?

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It is hoped that SimSig will receive a core code update for MCB-OD. In real life a signaller has very little interaction with them until they go wrong. You just set the route and leave them to get on with it.

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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 17:32 #112975
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headshot119 in post 112970 said:
Shaun in post 112969 said:
Will MCB-OD crossings be simulated in future?

And how do they actually work? I know about the obstacle detection technology but does the signaller still have to manually lower gates or do they work automatically if a route is set?

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It is hoped that SimSig will receive a core code update for MCB-OD. In real life a signaller has very little interaction with them until they go wrong. You just set the route and leave them to get on with it.
Depending on where the core code addition is in the 'to do' list, would it be possible to simulate them in the same way as Bentley Heath (Dorridge) on Saltley?

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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 17:33 #112976
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Are the green triangles at Llanelli related to the MCB-OD operation?
There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway.
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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 17:47 #112977
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Splodge in post 112976 said:
Are the green triangles at Llanelli related to the MCB-OD operation?
It's mentioned in the manual, but they are to select the non stop exit for the crossings.

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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 19:27 #112979
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Karl I've looked at the track layout of Port Talbot & pretty much all of the main freight locations are there(Margam Knuckle Yard, Llandeilo Jn & the line to Pantyffynon). So my question is will this sim fit OK for a late 1980s era timetable? 1987/88 period, or do you intend on doing another sim for that era?
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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 19:40 #112980
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58050 in post 112979 said:
Karl I've looked at the track layout of Port Talbot & pretty much all of the main freight locations are there(Margam Knuckle Yard, Llandeilo Jn & the line to Pantyffynon). So my question is will this sim fit OK for a late 1980s era timetable? 1987/88 period, or do you intend on doing another sim for that era?
Hello, it's unlikely you will have everything you need for a 1980s timetable, At the earliest the sim would be dated 1992 when A position was converted from a panel to a VDU.

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58050 in post 112979 said:
Karl I've looked at the track layout of Port Talbot & pretty much all of the main freight locations are there(Margam Knuckle Yard, Llandeilo Jn & the line to Pantyffynon). So my question is will this sim fit OK for a late 1980s era timetable? 1987/88 period, or do you intend on doing another sim for that era?
Hello, it's unlikely you will have everything you need for a 1980s timetable, At the earliest the sim would be dated 1992 when A position was converted from a panel to a VDU.

OK Karl so does this mean you are going to do an earlier era for this sim at some point in the future? Cos if you're not going to then I guess it's case of doing the best with what you've got here. As the Cardiff PSB sim timetable I'm doing is 1988 & I do have a Swansea station working book for 1987 which wouldn't be alot different to 1988, but would make quite a challenging timetable chaining Port talbot & Cardiff to gether with the same timetble.

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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 20:24 #112982
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If the quality of information ever became available for an early era I would do one, unfortunately that level of information hasn't been available.
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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 20:32 #112983
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Well I hope you kept everything I sent you & if I get some more then I'll pass it along. I guess then I'll purchase a licence for Port talbot at some point in the future & write the tt based on that sim. That way if one ever gets t do an earlier era sim then the tt will only need updating.
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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 22:06 #112985
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Enjoying the sim so far Karl.

Had a quick questions about UWC and Tunnels on the District Lines.
The RAIB report about the extensive track damage between Ferryside and Llangennech suggests that there are UWC which have not been marked in the sim, aswell as Penllergaer and Llangyfelach Tunnels.
Did the Port Talbot box not have any of these marked on the map, or have they been missed of?

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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 22:10 #112986
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Hi Nath,

Not marked on the panel, and the UWCs weren't listed on any of the data I had.

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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 22:22 #112988
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That's odd- they're shown in Quail and the Sectional Appendix. Could it be that they don't have telephones?
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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 22:25 #112989
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Steamer in post 112988 said:
That's odd- they're shown in Quail and the Sectional Appendix. Could it be that they don't have telephones?
Quite normal for crossings not to be marked on panels or diagrams. Neither of my boxes UWCs are marked on the diagram.

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Port Talbot FAQ 29/10/2018 at 22:50 #112990
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A reasonably comprehensive list (at least, the most comprehensive I've seen available publicly) of UWCs can be found at ABC Railway Guide.
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Port Talbot FAQ 30/10/2018 at 01:43 #112992
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headshot119 in post 112980 said:
Hello, it's unlikely you will have everything you need for a 1980s timetable, At the earliest the sim would be dated 1992 when A position was converted from a panel to a VDU.
Sorry, but that's really not correct...

A position was converted to VDU 13 Apr 2007. The new workstation was originally located in temporary accommodation alongside the main panel box until 20 May 2007 while the left hand end of the panel was carefully deconstructed to make room on the operating floor.

Photo Album on Swindon Panel website by a then S Wales S&T member showing various stages of the deconstruction; including a picture of the A position in use in March 2007:- http://photos.swindonpanel.org.uk/index.php?/category/80 - the deconstruction process was of interest to the society in the early days as that was the original plan to get the panel out of the building; these photos were provided to the society to show us what we were up against!

At Pascal's level of attention to detail; the sim as-is probably isn't really suitable for a 1980/90s timetable. That's not to say one couldn't be operated on the modern layout with some artistic license however!

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Port Talbot FAQ 30/10/2018 at 02:37 #112993
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JamesN in post 112992 said:
headshot119 in post 112980 said:
Hello, it's unlikely you will have everything you need for a 1980s timetable, At the earliest the sim would be dated 1992 when A position was converted from a panel to a VDU.
Sorry, but that's really not correct...
There were a number of changes to Port Talbot in 1991-2. This is confirmed by presence of signalling notices on SRS, and IIRC is the works referred to (repeatedly!) by my former boss who talked of moving and re-configuring existing tiles in between trains (eek!) in order to make room for track changes. I don't have any details of the specific changes.

Granted, probably not a VDU.

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Port Talbot FAQ 30/10/2018 at 08:47 #112995
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It was indeed 2007.

Port Talbot PSB has had many changes over the years.

Doing an 80s sim would not be easy as a large amount of sidings have disappeared off the panel, and things like Gowerton to Bynea being singled in the 80s only to be redoubled relatively recently. Margam area is a lot different now to what is was when the panel was in its heyday.

Port Talbot LC has only gone in the last couple of years. Etc..

IIRC the main changes in ‘92 where to bring in the carriage washing equipment at Swansea.

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Port Talbot FAQ 30/10/2018 at 09:32 #112996
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That will teach me to go from memory, though I knew 1992 was significant in some way to MAJOR alterations to the panel.

Tom is right for the attention to detail that Pascal likes to put into a timetable, the simulation isn't really suitable.

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Port Talbot FAQ 30/10/2018 at 12:40 #112998
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Looks like we'll need to ook for some more SNs that cover that area so you can do an older era. I know you've got the Dectional Appendix for the 1980s, but obviously you need more than just that. So for now I'll have to look at seeing what I can & can't get away with on the current sim. Seems a shame just to have Cardiff PSB as a stand alone 1988 timetable which certainly has a massive amount of freight & trip workings from the notices I've got.
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Port Talbot FAQ 30/10/2018 at 13:40 #112999
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Signalling notices aren’t really much use - almost all Port Talbot ones are in the SRS online archive anyway. What’s needed are locking sketches, control tables and so on.
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PontyClun Down 31/10/2018 at 06:10 #113012
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If you have 2 trains enter the sim directly behind eachother the 2nd train overwrites the first trains description

you probably already know this but the TD doesn't step from platform 1A at Pen-y-bont

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