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Stockport SX 08 04 2015 13/12/2018 at 22:57 #113956
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Stockport SX 08 04 2015

This thread is for discussion of the Stockport SX 08 04 2015 timetable.

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Stockport SX 08 04 2015 14/12/2018 at 16:06 #113985
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3Q80 2133 Neville Hill - Derby RTC UTU enters on the Up Fast from Slade Lane with the TT showing to cross to the Up Slow at Heaton Noris Jn, which is not possible. Additionally, it enters at a speed of 79mph which climbs to 83mph before slowing to cross to the Up Slow at Stockport No.2 (and on the Manchester South sim I'm running concurrently it climbs to 90mph, which definitely wouldn't do our probes any good).

I work ultrasonic test trains and have listed a number of points as follows:-

1. UTU's transit at Max Speed 75mph (subject to any lower permissible linespeeds) and record at Max Speed 30mph (again subject to any lower permissible linespeeds.

2. Recording south of Manchester Piccadilly is normally planned thus:-
a) Fast lines timed out and back from Crewe as part of a Crewe - Man Picc - Crewe - Derby RTC diagram and normally take place on a Friday night every 8 weeks.
b) Slow lines from Adswood Road to Piccadilly are normally tested as part of a diagram where testing starts at Colwich Jn via Stoke - Macclesfield - Cheadle Hulme - Adswood Rd (Dn Slow) - Man Picc (reverse) then Up Slow back to Adswood Road - Stoke - Colwich.

I've never known a diagram be planned to cross Fast - Slow at Stockport 2, I would instead expect 3Q80 to be timed either Up Fast/Main throughout to Crewe or Up Slow throughout to Adswood Rd, short transit to Cheadle Hulme and resume testing from there to Stoke via Macclesfield, and all (except for transits) at 30mph max.

Hope this helps.


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Phil.

Last edited: 14/12/2018 at 16:10 by Phil-jmw
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Stockport SX 08 04 2015 14/12/2018 at 18:51 #113994
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Phil thanks for the info, may well be in touch in future.

This is an extract from the schedule and the path is as booked :

25. Manchester Piccadilly 0027 0122 EL / 5 / FL

26. Ardwick Jn [2] 0124 --- / --- / ---

27. Slade Lane Jn 0126 --- / --- / ---

28. Heaton Norris Jn 0128 --- / --- / SL

29. Stockport 0129 --- / 1 / ---

Funny thing is this one should be 24 hours later as its 2133 WO 2133 Neville Hill - Derby RTC (memo - add 24 hours to it ) After all it does come in on East/Picc after midnight

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Stockport SX 08 04 2015 15/12/2018 at 16:03 #114020
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Meld in post 113994 said:
Phil thanks for the info, may well be in touch in future.

This is an extract from the schedule and the path is as booked :

25. Manchester Piccadilly 0027 0122 EL / 5 / FL

26. Ardwick Jn [2] 0124 --- / --- / ---

27. Slade Lane Jn 0126 --- / --- / ---

28. Heaton Norris Jn 0128 --- / --- / SL

29. Stockport 0129 --- / 1 / ---

Funny thing is this one should be 24 hours later as its 2133 WO 2133 Neville Hill - Derby RTC (memo - add 24 hours to it ) After all it does come in on East/Picc after midnight
If that is copied from a genuine schedule then I'm surprised (and I've certainly never done it when testing this route), because it would require an opstop (although these often aren't timed for) over the pointwork at Stockport 2 (as it's not possible to cross at HN) to change the Route Setting Tape (which isn't actually a tape and is nothing to do with signalling route setting) from the Up Fast RST to the Up Slow RST. I suspect that the FL routing at Man Picc is incorrect. I say this because at the start of each shift we always compare the bid and timings because there are occasions when what is required to be tested is not reflected in the timings so we have to flag it up with Control to try and ensure we get routed correctly, although occasionally this isn't possible, eg because of overnight ECS stabling in platforms.

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Stockport SX 08 04 2015 15/12/2018 at 16:53 #114025
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Phil below is the actual CIF file used to generate the xmls for 8th April set

BSNU396211504081504080010000 3 1 D 075Q N
BX ZZY
LONEVLTMD 2133 0000 TB
LINEVLWJN 2135 00000000 FL
LIMRLNJN 2140 00000000 3H
LILEEDS 2145H0000000016 F
CRLEEDSWJ DT3Q80 153790132 D 030Q
LILEEDSWJ 2146 2146H 00000000 UM
LIESJLEDS 2148 00000000
LISTRTJN 2154 00000000
LIMETHLYJ 2205 00000000
LIALTFTJN 2208 00000000 2H
LITRNRSLA 2216 00000000
LIWKFLDKG 2216H000000002 FL
LIHORBRYJ 2221H00000000
LITHHLNWJ 2230H2255H 00000000 H
LIMIRFEJN 2257H00000000
LIMIRFILD 2300 2302 000000003 OP
LIHETNLJN 2305 00000000 3
LIHDRSFLD 2316 000000001
LIMRSN 2331H2343H 00000000UPL A
LIDIGGLEJ 2350H00000000
LIGFLD 2355H00000000
LISBYD 0005H000000003 3
LIGIDB 0014H000000001
LIASHBRYS 0021H00000000 1
LIARDWCKJ 0024 00000000 EL
CRMNCRPIC DT3Q80 153790132 D 075Q
LIMNCRPIC 0027 0122 000000005 FL EL RM
LIARDWCKJ2 0124 00000000
LISLDLJN 0126 00000000
LIHTNOJN 0128 00000000 SL
LISTKP 0129 000000001
LISTKPE1 0130 00000000
LIADSWDRD 0131 00000000
LICHDH 0132 000000002
LIWLMSL 0136 000000004
LIALDEDGE 0138 00000000
LISBCH 0151 000000001 FL
LICREWSBG 0155 00000000
LICREWE 0157 000000005 FL
LICREWBHJ 0159 00000000
LIMADELEY 0206 00000000 FL FL
LINTNB 0218 00000000 FL FL
LISTAFFRD 0223 00000000UFLFL FL 1H
LIWHHSJN 0227 00000000
LICOLWICH 0231 00000000 SL FL
LIRUGLYNJ 0234 00000000 SL SL
LILCHTNJ 0240H00000000 SL SL
LILCHTTVL 0242H000000001
LILCHTTVJ 0244H00000000
LIALRWAS 0250H00000000 1
LIWICHNRJ 0253 00000000 3H
LIBURTNOT 0302 000000001 ML 2
LICLMLJN 0306H00000000 2H
LINSJDRBY 0312 00000000 H
LISTSNJN 0313 00000000
LIDRBY 0319H0336 000000006 RM
LTDRBYRTC 0341 0000 TF

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Stockport SX 08 04 2015 15/12/2018 at 17:26 #114027
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Just looking back through my old rosters UTU1 worked that job that night and it was a part-recovery shift, meaning that rather than being a regular schedule it would have been a STP schedule created to mix and match parts of two or more planned diagrams, and the fact that it shows FL at Man Picc and SL at Heaton Norris makes it look to me like an error crept in either when the train was timed or when the schedule was created, which as I mentioned earlier does happen.
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Stockport SX 08 04 2015 15/12/2018 at 18:09 #114029
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I've just had another look at the timings and as 3Q80 is given only 35 mins Man Picc - Crewe (30 miles) it would have been transiting and not recording, so apart from the pathing error the only other error is the max speed of the train which should be 75mph.
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Stockport SX 08 04 2015 16/12/2018 at 15:34 #114075
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3S50 (enters 2052 from Hazel Grove) need to have 'through line stop' ticked else it will call wrong route for the down goods at Stockport - and it can't be put in a platform as 3 and 4 only have limit of shunts in the up direction.
There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway.
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