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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 11:12 #118208
VInce
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Hi all,

Version 1.1 of the Exeter 5-day timetable has been uploaded and is currently waiting approval.

This minor revision corrects:-

1) A couple of typos

2) One missing train loading

3) One incorrect train description

4) A minor issue which resulted in some DMU shunts - described as DMSHNT-x from Exeter Fuel Road to Exeter CS calling "wrong route" as Exeter CS is regarded as a goods line in the sim.

Thanks to everyone for the interest shown in this timetable - its been most gratifying and made the work involved worthwhile.

Vince

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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 11:23 #118209
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Great timetable Vince. I've had to slow it down a bit during the morning rush as it gets a bit busy almost everywhere.

Was the incorrect train description to do with 2B84 by any chance?

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 13:08 #118210
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Hi all,

This revision has not been approved by mods because it has the Version number in the filename.

The first version was approved with the version number in the file name.

Makes me wonder why I bother really. Where is the consistency?

In fact - the next time I feel like spending nearly a year developing a timetable (which has been downloaded nearly 150 times) I think I'll resist the temptation.

I'll upload this again but don't expect any more uploads from me - I've done.

Vince

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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 13:14 #118211
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Dont despair Vince we all support you.

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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 18:10 #118218
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Vince. Don't resist the temptation to write another of your excellent timetables.

You’ll disappoint a lot of SimSig members.

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 19:32 #118220
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VInce in post 118210 said:
Hi all,

This revision has not been approved by mods because it has the Version number in the filename.

The first version was approved with the version number in the file name.

Makes me wonder why I bother really. Where is the consistency?

In fact - the next time I feel like spending nearly a year developing a timetable (which has been downloaded nearly 150 times) I think I'll resist the temptation.

I'll upload this again but don't expect any more uploads from me - I've done.

Vince
The reason for not including version numbers is that if the title is identical then the new one should automatically replace the previous one, otherwise you end up with both available. What's currently required on your part is a crystal ball.

Peter

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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 19:45 #118221
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Vince

Looks like your first attempt slipped through the net and you should have been asked to re-submit without the version number in the first place. Although I am not part of the decision making process for issues like this, I can see the justification for the policy. One or more TTs are pushed out as part of a sim release. Those TTs become part of the sim package and are locked into the update process. That means that any update or revisions will be automatically pushed out when made available by the TT writer. The update process relies on over-writing existing files so that the end user does not get lost in a plethora of similar looking file names. Without being involved in the technical issues around the update process, I would guess that you can't put a version number into the TT title as it would then add an additional file rather than over-writing. For the TT writer there is the facility in the front tab of the TT to set a version number with three drop-downsections (to give major, minor and incremental version numbers in the form v0.0.0) so that track can be kept without disrupting the file name.

While there is not the same "automatic update" reason for not putting a version number into the timetable name for user-uploaded TTs there is the argument in favour of consistency of approach. I must confess that at the TT updating level I normally include a version number in the TT title on the front tab (which carries over to the file name if the TT pop-out is closed before saving) to make it easier to load the correct TT when testing. However, that needs to be removed before the TT is put forward for distribution.

I do hope that you don't feel so aggravated that you have to walk away. Unfortunately there have been two gaps in the process which have led to your problem. Firstly I can't see any instruction in any of the documentation to advise that user-supplied TTs must not have a version number in the title. Secondly, your first version of the TT should not have been uploaded with the version number in the title. In the grand scheme of things, minor errors that should not have happened and hopefully not enough to make you pack your bags once the immediate irritation has passed.

Edit: Peter posted while I was typing!

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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 19:49 #118222
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I've since become aware of this page and I have suggested that a link is added on the upload page. Once I've worked out exactly what should go in each box of the upload page I'll add to the page.

Peter

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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 20:12 #118223
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Peter Bennet in post 118222 said:
I've since become aware of this page and I have suggested that a link is added on the upload page. Once I've worked out exactly what should go in each box of the upload page I'll add to the page.

Peter
I've tweaked some of the wording in the page to better match the box names in the timetable editor.

Peter

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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 11/05/2019 at 20:55 #118224
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postal in post 118221 said:
Firstly I can't see any instruction in any of the documentation to advise that user-supplied TTs must not have a version number in the title.

I stand corrected after Peter's detective work. Apologies.

However, agree that it would be helpful to have a link added to the Uploads page (perhaps with a little bit of explanatory text that it gives details about the format to be used for a user-submitted upload).

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Exeter Summer 5-day - early 1980s Version 1.1 13/05/2019 at 18:09 #118260
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postal in post 118224 said:
postal in post 118221 said:
Firstly I can't see any instruction in any of the documentation to advise that user-supplied TTs must not have a version number in the title.

I stand corrected after Peter's detective work. Apologies.

However, agree that it would be helpful to have a link added to the Uploads page (perhaps with a little bit of explanatory text that it gives details about the format to be used for a user-submitted upload).
I sent Peter the link to the relevant part of the user manual. I agree it would be helpful to remind users of this on the upload page.

Nothing personal, Vince. We're just getting better at following through with procedures!

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