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Multiple Days 18/05/2019 at 13:16 #118360
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I fancied creating a 4-Day timetable for Carlisle Mainly Wed, Thur Fri & Sat. I've created one day Wed 22 May 2019 and have it saved. Now I don't know how to go about creating 'the 4 days'. I know people have done some fab 4-day timetables, but the way I wanted to go was basically Wed through to Saturday so past the 24hr mark etc. Do I need to create individual timetabled days? them merge them to make one. Would anyone have a guide to help? As most of the trains have the same UID through out week apart from a couple of FO trains. What about rules etc.
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Multiple Days 18/05/2019 at 14:24 #118361
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If you want to create it to run 4 days continuously you need to add 24/48/72 hours to the trains timetable. Simsig will convert this into the 24hr clock when playing.

Eg a train departs location X at. 02:05 everyday. It will need a Wednesday timetable, a Thursday timetable departing 26:01 and Friday timetable departing 30:01 etc.

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Multiple Days 22/05/2019 at 17:42 #118436
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jc92 in post 118361 said:
If you want to create it to run 4 days continuously you need to add 24/48/72 hours to the trains timetable. Simsig will convert this into the 24hr clock when playing.

Eg a train departs location X at. 02:05 everyday. It will need a Wednesday timetable, a Thursday timetable departing 26:01 and Friday timetable departing 30:01 etc.
The Friday train would depart at 50:01 and the Saturday at 74:01

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Multiple Days 22/05/2019 at 21:13 #118439
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bfcmik in post 118436 said:
jc92 in post 118361 said:
If you want to create it to run 4 days continuously you need to add 24/48/72 hours to the trains timetable. Simsig will convert this into the 24hr clock when playing.

Eg a train departs location X at. 02:05 everyday. It will need a Wednesday timetable, a Thursday timetable departing 26:01 and Friday timetable departing 30:01 etc.
The Friday train would depart at 50:01 and the Saturday at 74:01
Or even 02:05 > 26:05 > 50:05 > 74:05

"If you can find something everyone agrees on, it's wrong." - Morris King Udall (15/06/1922 – 12/12/1998), American politician.
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Multiple Days 22/05/2019 at 22:50 #118440
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I might be going about this the wrong way but I'm creating them as individual timetables so as per day Wed to Sat. Then hoping to merge Thur/Fri & Sat into the Wednesday timetable. Wed Starts at 00:00, Thur starts at 24:00, Fri starts at 48:00 & Sat starts at 72:00. Hopefully I shouldn't run into issues. But thanks to all with the advise.
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Multiple Days 22/05/2019 at 23:11 #118441
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postal in post 118439 said:
bfcmik in post 118436 said:
jc92 in post 118361 said:
If you want to create it to run 4 days continuously you need to add 24/48/72 hours to the trains timetable. Simsig will convert this into the 24hr clock when playing.

Eg a train departs location X at. 02:05 everyday. It will need a Wednesday timetable, a Thursday timetable departing 26:01 and Friday timetable departing 30:01 etc.
The Friday train would depart at 50:01 and the Saturday at 74:01
Or even 02:05 > 26:05 > 50:05 > 74:05
Thank god for timetable testers!

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Multiple Days 23/05/2019 at 07:10 #118444
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HST125Scorton in post 118440 said:
I might be going about this the wrong way but I'm creating them as individual timetables so as per day Wed to Sat. Then hoping to merge Thur/Fri & Sat into the Wednesday timetable. Wed Starts at 00:00, Thur starts at 24:00, Fri starts at 48:00 & Sat starts at 72:00. Hopefully I shouldn't run into issues. But thanks to all with the advise.
Could you save yourself some work by using a single core 4-day TT, entering and then duplicating the trains that run every day with a time increment of 24 hours and 3 duplications? You might need to adjust UIDs and TDs in actions but it could save some time in entering the same data (+24 hours) 3 times over. You could then create the dated trains in separate daily TTs and merge them once the core data was in.

John Mills (Meld) and Pascal (58050) did something like that for a heritage TT for the exe Sheffield.where you loaded the core TT then merged in the daily add-on for the day you wanted.

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Multiple Days 23/05/2019 at 08:00 #118445
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Interesting !!

I do wonder how SIAM rail sims gets you to start any day of the week whereas Simsig and PCRail don't ??

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Multiple Days 23/05/2019 at 11:49 #118446
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postal in post 118444 said:
HST125Scorton in post 118440 said:
I might be going about this the wrong way but I'm creating them as individual timetables so as per day Wed to Sat. Then hoping to merge Thur/Fri & Sat into the Wednesday timetable. Wed Starts at 00:00, Thur starts at 24:00, Fri starts at 48:00 & Sat starts at 72:00. Hopefully I shouldn't run into issues. But thanks to all with the advise.
Could you save yourself some work by using a single core 4-day TT, entering and then duplicating the trains that run every day with a time increment of 24 hours and 3 duplications? You might need to adjust UIDs and TDs in actions but it could save some time in entering the same data (+24 hours) 3 times over. You could then create the dated trains in separate daily TTs and merge them once the core data was in.

John Mills (Meld) and Pascal (58050) did something like that for a heritage TT for the exe Sheffield.where you loaded the core TT then merged in the daily add-on for the day you wanted.
Why did I not think about option.. DOH!.. Apart from Wed/Thur.. some Friday UID trains are different and Saturday. I'll go down that option you mentioned.
Timetable will be based on Wed 5th to Sat 8th June 2019, once the engineering works on the Windermere Branch & Weekend Closure of WCML between Carlisle & Scotland.

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Multiple Days 23/05/2019 at 11:59 #118447
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axmh in post 118445 said:
Interesting !!

I do wonder how SIAM rail sims gets you to start any day of the week whereas Simsig and PCRail don't ??
It can easily be done with simsig and has done. Most of the packaged TTs are for a specific day so wouldn't cater for a week but there's quite a few where decisions and rules govern which train enters depending on the day of the week which is either selected or randomly generated at the start of the timetable. For an example see Carlisle 79-80

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Multiple Days 27/05/2019 at 12:09 #118487
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I've made a start with this 4-Day timetable, I've loaded up a temp WTT here for those..
I would welcome some advise.. so I split the trains UID to include the day? Like H22227-THUR example?

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Multiple Days 01/06/2019 at 18:56 #118621
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jc92 in post 118447 said:
axmh in post 118445 said:
Interesting !!

I do wonder how SIAM rail sims gets you to start any day of the week whereas Simsig and PCRail don't ??
It can easily be done with simsig and has done. Most of the packaged TTs are for a specific day so wouldn't cater for a week but there's quite a few where decisions and rules govern which train enters depending on the day of the week which is either selected or randomly generated at the start of the timetable. For an example see Carlisle 79-80
In the modern era though, how may days are that different to make it worthwhile ?
SIAM are mostly historical, where day by day variation was higher.

To take this further, could the 'DAYOFWEEK' decision, or whatever it is agreed it is called) be passed up to the start screen so it can be forced ? Some sims have day dependent seeds.
This would also provide a fix for chaining timetables as each sim could be forced to a day of the week before the clock starts ticking.


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Multiple Days 01/06/2019 at 20:04 #118628
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bill_gensheet in post 118621 said:
jc92 in post 118447 said:
axmh in post 118445 said:
Interesting !!

I do wonder how SIAM rail sims gets you to start any day of the week whereas Simsig and PCRail don't ??
It can easily be done with simsig and has done. Most of the packaged TTs are for a specific day so wouldn't cater for a week but there's quite a few where decisions and rules govern which train enters depending on the day of the week which is either selected or randomly generated at the start of the timetable. For an example see Carlisle 79-80
In the modern era though, how may days are that different to make it worthwhile ?
SIAM are mostly historical, where day by day variation was higher.

To take this further, could the 'DAYOFWEEK' decision, or whatever it is agreed it is called) be passed up to the start screen so it can be forced ? Some sims have day dependent seeds.
This would also provide a fix for chaining timetables as each sim could be forced to a day of the week before the clock starts ticking.


Bill
It's possible to link decisions to scenario options eg if had weather is selected a snow plough train runs.

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Multiple Days 01/06/2019 at 20:20 #118629
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jc92 in post 118628 said:
bill_gensheet in post 118621 said:
jc92 in post 118447 said:
axmh in post 118445 said:
Interesting !!

I do wonder how SIAM rail sims gets you to start any day of the week whereas Simsig and PCRail don't ??
It can easily be done with simsig and has done. Most of the packaged TTs are for a specific day so wouldn't cater for a week but there's quite a few where decisions and rules govern which train enters depending on the day of the week which is either selected or randomly generated at the start of the timetable. For an example see Carlisle 79-80
In the modern era though, how may days are that different to make it worthwhile ?
SIAM are mostly historical, where day by day variation was higher.

To take this further, could the 'DAYOFWEEK' decision, or whatever it is agreed it is called) be passed up to the start screen so it can be forced ? Some sims have day dependent seeds.
This would also provide a fix for chaining timetables as each sim could be forced to a day of the week before the clock starts ticking.


Bill
It's possible to link decisions to scenario options eg if had weather is selected a snow plough train runs.
Guys thanks for this feedback also. I have suspended building this timetable at the moment, mainly because each day is the same except a couple of handfuls of freight workings.
I'm planning to bring a Carlisle Summer 2019 timetable out based on 5th June with passengers and freight from the last couple of months. After this I'm going to do a 3-day timetable based on a Fri/Sat/Sun.

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Multiple Days 01/06/2019 at 21:33 #118636
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Why not do a base passenger timetable then add freights to it with a DOTW decision?
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Multiple Days Today at 11:37 #119013
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I have a Two-Day Carlisle that I've just finalised based on 14th & 15th June 2019, each train has its own UID plus a day attached eg. H23700-THU etc meaning the train started on a Thursday and runs through Friday morning early hours. All rules are in place and I'm testing it soon. Release is also depending on when the updated sim arrives for Loader, this I don't know.
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Multiple Days Today at 12:05 #119014
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Happy to test Carlisle if you want.
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