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5Z64 Sub-route locked - Tyne Valley Diverts TT 19/08/2019 at 16:37 #120126
bugsy
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I’m playing the September 2017 Tyne Valley Diverts timetable and have encountered a slight problem. I can quite easily solve it, but want to query what is happening. I’ve looked through previous posts but can’t find anything to do with train 5Z64.

Anyway, 5Z64 has arrived at CE404 where it is scheduled to reverse and head towards platform 3 at Carlisle station. I expected the Train List to show that it had changed from the Up to the Down direction, but this didn’t happen. Then when I tried to set the route towards platform 3 at the station, I got a message saying ‘Subroute locked in opposite direction’
I cannot see any of the points in the locked position and I am actually able to set them manually, reverse the train and it sets off towards P3.

Should I really have to do this or have I done something wrong?

Screenshots and a 14:20 saved game attached. I can provide a save at 14:10 if required.




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My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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5Z64 Sub-route locked - Tyne Valley Diverts TT 19/08/2019 at 16:48 #120127
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The clues are all there -

The train is stopped at signal CE402, and the rear of it hasn’t come “inside” CE404 yet. So the train hasn’t got to “Reverse at CE404” yet, the back of the train wants to be inside the signal.

If you set the route from CE402 signal towards any of the Esso Sdgs, the Up Midland (CE384), the Up Newcastle (CE378) or Petteril Bridge Sidings; the train will continue until the rear of the train is inside CE404 signal. At which point it will reverse automatically and get on with the rest of its timetable.

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5Z64 Sub-route locked - Tyne Valley Diverts TT 19/08/2019 at 17:35 #120128
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Thanks.
Should have realised this because I've seen the situation before and dealt with it with no problems.
Mind not totally on the job. Probably due to the fact that I've noticed that some **** has scraped the front of my car whilst I was parked this afternoon and has made me annoyed!

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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5Z64 Sub-route locked - Tyne Valley Diverts TT 19/08/2019 at 17:50 #120129
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JamesN in post 120127 said:
The clues are all there -

The train is stopped at signal CE402, and the rear of it hasn’t come “inside” CE404 yet. So the train hasn’t got to “Reverse at CE404” yet, the back of the train wants to be inside the signal.

If you set the route from CE402 signal towards any of the Esso Sdgs, the Up Midland (CE384), the Up Newcastle (CE378) or Petteril Bridge Sidings; the train will continue until the rear of the train is inside CE404 signal. At which point it will reverse automatically and get on with the rest of its timetable.
Well, I don't know what's happening.
I've tried routing towards the Esso Sdgs, the Up Midland (CE384), the Up Newcastle (CE378) and Petteril Bridge Sidings and in every case I get 'Driver of 5Z64 has an incorrect route set at signal CE402 (Petteril Bridge Jn area)

Perhaps you could run the sim from the attched 14:10 save and see if you can make it work.
Looks to me as if I'll have to reduce it's length. Or abandon the timetable.

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5Z64 Sub-route locked - Tyne Valley Diverts TT 19/08/2019 at 18:55 #120130
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Bugsy, I agree that all 4 obvious route choices produce a wrong route phonecall. As a current work around, if you key the points into which ever is your prefered route, (not setting a route, keying and locking points in the same way as if you have a TCF) then tell him to pass the signal at danger, he will pass CE402 and after a few seconds he will then reverse an be ready to have a route set from CE404 back into Carlisle

Have reported the Wrong Route on Mantis, 26808

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5Z64 Sub-route locked - Tyne Valley Diverts TT 19/08/2019 at 19:10 #120131
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y10g9 in post 120130 said:
Bugsy, I agree that all 4 obvious route choices produce a wrong route phonecall. As a current work around, if you key the points into which ever is your prefered route, (not setting a route, keying and locking points in the same way as if you have a TCF) then tell him to pass the signal at danger, he will pass CE402 and after a few seconds he will then reverse an be ready to have a route set from CE404 back into Carlisle

Have reported the Wrong Route on Mantis, 26808
Right. Thanks.
What I actuall did on this occasion was to manually set the points to allow a route to P3 and then, in the Train List, reversed the train and it set off towards P3, thereby overcoming the problem of incorrect routes.

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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