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will there be more timetables made?

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will there be more timetables made? 14/10/2019 at 04:36 #121002
darryl0768healy
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do i expect to see any future timetables which make use of the currently un-used sidings and paths which are not touched in the current timetable? would be nice to see more shunts and more trains.
the UK simulations have several timetables where these AU ones dont seem to get any attention for their potential.

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will there be more timetables made? 14/10/2019 at 08:58 #121005
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darryl0768healy in post 121002 said:
do i expect to see any future timetables which make use of the currently un-used sidings and paths which are not touched in the current timetable? would be nice to see more shunts and more trains.
the UK simulations have several timetables where these AU ones dont seem to get any attention for their potential.
The "several timetables" for UK simulations have normally been produced by volunteers who have taken the time to research the subject and produce a TT which meets their aspiration for the sim. Perhaps you could do the same for Moss Vale so that others could share your vision of how you would like it to operate.

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will there be more timetables made? 14/10/2019 at 18:19 #121017
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The issue with AUS is obtaining Timetable info as I don't beleive they have open access information like we do.
"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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will there be more timetables made? 14/10/2019 at 19:45 #121024
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jc92 in post 121017 said:
The issue with AUS is obtaining Timetable info as I don't beleive they have open access information like we do.
There is some: https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/

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will there be more timetables made? 16/10/2019 at 09:22 #121078
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I work for railways in New Zealand, that is next country over from Australia.
If any sim creators are interested in making an NZ sim I have access to all line, signal, yard and train plan documents. It would be a walk in the park for anyone wanting to do so.

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will there be more timetables made? 16/10/2019 at 16:46 #121088
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darryl0768healy in post 121078 said:
I work for railways in New Zealand, that is next country over from Australia.
If any sim creators are interested in making an NZ sim I have access to all line, signal, yard and train plan documents. It would be a walk in the park for anyone wanting to do so.
Is any of the information you can supply, scaled diagrams showing the exact location of the signals, track circuits, points etc? Or the interlocking control tables?

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will there be more timetables made? 17/10/2019 at 02:52 #121107
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Yes they do show all of that. Except interlocking diagrams but it's all stock standard and can help with that.
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will there be more timetables made? 17/10/2019 at 09:24 #121114
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Perhaps it would be better if this sort of conversation took place off-line.
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will there be more timetables made? 17/10/2019 at 12:29 #121120
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postal in post 121114 said:
Perhaps it would be better if this sort of conversation took place off-line.
Given that one person is in the UK and the other is in New Zealand, this is exactly the kind of conversation the internet allows you to have in near real time.

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will there be more timetables made? 17/10/2019 at 15:09 #121122
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Sacro in post 121120 said:
postal in post 121114 said:
Perhaps it would be better if this sort of conversation took place off-line.
Given that one person is in the UK and the other is in New Zealand, this is exactly the kind of conversation the internet allows you to have in near real time.
Thank you for that revealing insight. I was thinking more in terms of confidentiality than practicality.

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will there be more timetables made? 17/10/2019 at 15:50 #121124
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postal in post 121122 said:
Sacro in post 121120 said:
postal in post 121114 said:
Perhaps it would be better if this sort of conversation took place off-line.
Given that one person is in the UK and the other is in New Zealand, this is exactly the kind of conversation the internet allows you to have in near real time.
Thank you for that revealing insight. I was thinking more in terms of confidentiality than practicality.
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will there be more timetables made? 17/10/2019 at 19:47 #121135
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Realised that there is a language problem which has given rise to the confusion. I have sat in many meetings where two participants agreed to "take things off-line". That was an indication that they would discuss the matter between themselves without bothering the rest of the meeting with the details. It was not a technological marker.

There are clearly many ways that future developments could be discussed "off-line" (i.e. outside the Forum) but "online" (i.e. in real time or close to real time) through Messenger, Skype, TeamSpeak, PM, e-mail, WhatsApp etc. etc.

“In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe
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will there be more timetables made? 24/08/2020 at 23:05 #130999
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Hi Daryl,
Happy to help develop one. How do we go about doing so?

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will there be more timetables made? 25/08/2020 at 01:20 #131000
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QFA400 in post 130999 said:
Hi Daryl,
Happy to help develop one. How do we go about doing so?
Just a FYI, that this OP was almost 1 year ago and the member who posted it hasn't been online since two days after the post was made.

Craig (HAP)

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will there be more timetables made? 28/01/2021 at 15:16 #136823
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A bit late to the game on this, but as far as timetables go i have linked the latest operational timetables used by the network operator ARTC

https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/MTP_2021-01-03_NSWVIC-200.pdf
https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/MTP_2021-01-03_NSWVIC-300.pdf
https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/MTP_2021-01-03_NSWVIC-400.pdf
https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/MTP_2021-01-03_NSWVIC-500.pdf

Happy Signalling - F

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will there be more timetables made? 28/01/2021 at 15:47 #136824
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Much appreciated!

Can you provide an explanation for the codes used for schedule and path type, so it all makes a bit more sense?

"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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will there be more timetables made? 28/01/2021 at 16:14 #136825
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Well i can certinaly try!

To start with train numbering on the ARTC network is governed by this document: https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/RAS-V1.0-Appendix-B-Train-Numbering.pdf

The schedule reffers to how fastr the train can go i.e how long it should take for the train to travel from one place to the other.

The passenger trains use special paths i.e Crail 1, XPL, XPT, the best thing to do if develop9ing a timetable around the passenger trains is to try to stick to the defult train types -

XPL schedule - DMU P Set (2-6 cars) Xplorer
XPT schedule - XPT 5 or 7 Cars
Crail 1 schedule - DMU N Set (2-6 cars) Endeavour

Freight is a little more complicated

Diffrent trains run at many different speeds based on the engines used and the wagons being pulled and how much weight is in the wagons, i will try to give the best explination i can:

1 schedule - Minerals Empty NR
2 schedule - Minerals Loaded NR
AACL schedule - Any of the loaded coal options
1CE schedule - Any of the empty coal options up to 80kph (we dont have fast coal trains down south)
A/A1/A2 schedule - Fast freight empty or loaded up to 115kph
B/B1/B2 schedule - Superfreight empty or loaded up to 110kpm (no defults for these in the sim)
C/C1/C2 schedule - Heavy freight empty or loaded up to 100kph
80kmh (DE) schedule - Heavy freight empty or loaded up to 80kph
SYDNEY MET schedule - This is difficult because it reffers to many different train types, but is generally 80kph heavy

The path type doesnt make much sense in the master time table, as all paths in the master time table are M for Mandatory, there are other trains which either run on an ad-hoc basis or not regually which use a system called DTPOS (Daily Train Path Ordering System) for requesting paths, rather then the M paths which are negotiated by contract and are generally permanant and higher priority than ad-hoc type paths, but also more espensive for train operators.

So in the sense of modeling the simulation the path (as in the time tables) wont really matter

In the daily operating timetables all the additional and ad-hoc trains are shown, but id be at risk of getting the sack if i posted them publically

Hope this helps - F

Last edited: 28/01/2021 at 16:16 by frddunc
Reason: What DTPOS stands for

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will there be more timetables made? 29/01/2021 at 19:22 #136877
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one last question - is there a way of identifying the origins of the services? I can see at the bottom it shows where the trains goes to, but trains that enter from Picton or Unanderra for instance, don't show their origin location or time.
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will there be more timetables made? 30/01/2021 at 05:33 #136880
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Not easily for many.

You'd need data for each network operator and have to work backwards. It's not impossible though. Looking up the train numbering principles in the Train Operating Conditions manual will give you a clue as to the colliery for coal trains, or the region of origin/destination for other freight.

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will there be more timetables made? 01/02/2021 at 02:51 #136933
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Yep, as flabberdacks said there is no easy way of identrifying where trains came from, i find it easy, but thats because i grew up in moss vale and work for one of the operators in this sim, so it is a local knowledge thing as much as it is having it on a timetable

-F

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