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745's enter service on the GEML 09/01/2020 at 11:02 #122807
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Here is a blog on the introduction of the 745 on the GEML
http://busandtrain.blogspot.com/2020/01/007-ends-61-years-of-hurt-on-geml.html

Also of note is that these units appear to not be true 12 car EMU's but are composed of Two 6 Cars units joined together in a simular fashion to the 373 Eurostar

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745's enter service on the GEML 10/01/2020 at 10:19 #122815
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The trains are indeed 12 car EMU's not 6 car EMU's joined together. I'm not sure what made you think it was 2x6 car units.
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745's enter service on the GEML 10/01/2020 at 10:44 #122816
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Trainfan344 in post 122815 said:
The trains are indeed 12 car EMU's not 6 car EMU's joined together. I'm not sure what made you think it was 2x6 car units.
The article says this:

One final quirk. Walking through them at the halfway stage you reach what looks very similar to the engine compartments on the bi-modes. No engines on these 745's though so what are they? I asked the friendly driving team who told me they were, in fact cab ends without the cab, as the 12 car units are, it turns out two 6 car units joined together. That means they can be split in the sheds for maintenance purposes if necessary.

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745's enter service on the GEML 10/01/2020 at 11:43 #122817
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bri2808 in post 122816 said:
Trainfan344 in post 122815 said:
The trains are indeed 12 car EMU's not 6 car EMU's joined together. I'm not sure what made you think it was 2x6 car units.
The article says this:

One final quirk. Walking through them at the halfway stage you reach what looks very similar to the engine compartments on the bi-modes. No engines on these 745's though so what are they? I asked the friendly driving team who told me they were, in fact cab ends without the cab, as the 12 car units are, it turns out two 6 car units joined together. That means they can be split in the sheds for maintenance purposes if necessary.
Depends. If both ends are carrying the same number then its a 12 car unit that can be split for maintenance, if both ends have different numbers it's two 6 car units.

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745's enter service on the GEML 10/01/2020 at 16:13 #122819
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jc92 in post 122817 said:

Depends. If both ends are carrying the same number then its a 12 car unit that can be split for maintenance, if both ends have different numbers it's two 6 car units.
Like classes 253/254/255?

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745's enter service on the GEML 10/01/2020 at 19:00 #122822
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Sacro in post 122819 said:
jc92 in post 122817 said:

Depends. If both ends are carrying the same number then its a 12 car unit that can be split for maintenance, if both ends have different numbers it's two 6 car units.
Like classes 253/254/255?
Most definetely not like 1st gen DMUs at any rate. 25*s are a weird one because the train is power cars plus trailers and the current TOPS
arrangement makes more sense. I don't know if they ran with fixed power cars to be honest. They certainly don't now but then that's reflecting in their designation.

These 12 car sets aren't for instance made up of 745001 and 745002 forming a 12 set. 745001 is twelve vehicles which can be broken down for shunting around TMDs. They won't (or shouldn't) get mixed and matched.

The APT was a similar arrangement albeit a mix and match one.

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745's enter service on the GEML 10/01/2020 at 19:47 #122824
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jc92 in post 122822 said:

Most definetely not like 1st gen DMUs at any rate. 25*s are a weird one because the train is power cars plus trailers and the current TOPS
arrangement makes more sense. I don't know if they ran with fixed power cars to be honest. They certainly don't now but then that's reflecting in their designation.
The intention was for them to be fixed-formation, hence the 25x set numbers, and they were operated that way originally. It soon became clear that the different maintenance regimes for the power cars and Mk 3 sets made that impractical, hence the change.

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745's enter service on the GEML 10/01/2020 at 22:23 #122826
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Steamer in post 122824 said:
jc92 in post 122822 said:

Most definetely not like 1st gen DMUs at any rate. 25*s are a weird one because the train is power cars plus trailers and the current TOPS
arrangement makes more sense. I don't know if they ran with fixed power cars to be honest. They certainly don't now but then that's reflecting in their designation.
The intention was for them to be fixed-formation, hence the 25x set numbers, and they were operated that way originally. It soon became clear that the different maintenance regimes for the power cars and Mk 3 sets made that impractical, hence the change.
There was no change, apart from in the Platform 5 books and a livery aberration on refurbishment. Trailer vehicles still have set numbers and a nominal “planned” vehicle formation (albeit no longer in the 25x series - it’s now two-letter depot code+2-digit number) - Those sets then adopt powercars. All training material, official NR and TOC documentation and so on still refers to them as 253/254/255/257 or simply HSTs. There is no Class 43 in official materials.

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745's enter service on the GEML 12/01/2020 at 08:39 #122836
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"... two refreshment trolleys and a cafe bar..."

At least a wrong kind of food trolley can be now prototypical at Liverpool Street

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