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TCF and the adjacent line 03/06/2020 at 17:11 #127359
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As a matter of interest, am I penalised in the following situation?

I have an up train approaching Peterborough East Junction at 125mph when suddenly there is a Track Circuit failure on the down fast. It’s impossible at this stage to stop the Up train at an appropriate signal and ask the driver to proceed with caution and examine the line, which is, as you all know, what one normally does with the first train on the adjacent line if it is going to arrive at the TCF first.


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TCF and the adjacent line 03/06/2020 at 17:20 #127360
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As far as I know, SimSig doesn't enforce examining the line in any circumstances; it's up to the player as to whether or not they use it.
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TCF and the adjacent line 03/06/2020 at 17:26 #127361
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On a basic level, yes, you would be penalised for the Adverse Change of Aspect.

But as a a key point of order, that track circuit Showing Occupied When Clear (SOWC) is NOT a Track Circuit Failure (TCF) until it has been examined and no obstruction found. Until that point it's a potential obstruction that could cause death, fire, and destruction.

Put it another way, if your family are on 1A19, do you want them hurtling into a scaffolding pole on the line at 125mph?

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TCF and the adjacent line 03/06/2020 at 17:50 #127362
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headshot119 in post 127361 said:
On a basic level, yes, you would be penalised for the Adverse Change of Aspect.

But as a a key point of order, that track circuit Showing Occupied When Clear (SOWC) is NOT a Track Circuit Failure (TCF) until it has been examined and no obstruction found. Until that point it's a potential obstruction that could cause death, fire, and destruction.

Put it another way, if your family are on 1A19, do you want them hurtling into a scaffolding pole on the line at 125mph?
Yes, I can understand that. In the situation described, 1A19 wouldn't be able to reduce it's speed very much in any case, even if the signal aspect was set to danger. It's virtually arrive at signal 468 at full speed.

Interesting reply though

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TCF and the adjacent line 03/06/2020 at 19:17 #127363
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headshot119 in post 127361 said:
On a basic level, yes, you would be penalised for the Adverse Change of Aspect.

But as a a key point of order, that track circuit Showing Occupied When Clear (SOWC) is NOT a Track Circuit Failure (TCF) until it has been examined and no obstruction found. Until that point it's a potential obstruction that could cause death, fire, and destruction.

Put it another way, if your family are on 1A19, do you want them hurtling into a scaffolding pole on the line at 125mph?
I would very suspicious of a TC failing for no apparent reason, eg not a group of circuits, not combined with local signals also showing black or unexpected red aspects etc.

Simsig will penalise you for an ACOA, however points are nothing compared to the satisfaction of a job well done.

If it makes you feel better. I had a train leave a TC occupied behind it last night which occasioned an OCOA on a train in the opposite direction when I put back on it for exactly this reason. Suspect train stopped and driver asked to inspect for any issues, then the ACOA train was asked to inspect the line in question from the adjacent line to ensure there was no debris, damage or obstruction.

Would the driver be upset by seeing a green turn yellow? yes, however once on the phone I'm sure he'd appreciate not ploughing into a piece of debris at 90mph.

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TCF and the adjacent line 03/06/2020 at 22:17 #127364
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I agree about the points in SimSig. I'm no longer that concerned about them. As you say, doing the job properly is more than enough compensation.
The situation that you described is an interesting one .

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