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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 14:21 #130682
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I'm currently playing the 1993 timetable and I've observed something that I don't understand when setting a specific route at Edinburgh itself.

This being when you have a train in Platform 17 that is behind E483 and you manually set a onward route either from E483 to E485 to E497 or if you set the route from E485 to E497 first then set the route from E483 to E485, E483 will only show a shunt aspect with E485 showing a full aspect.

However, let ARS set the above route and E483 doesn't show a shunt aspect but rather a full aspect so why is this?

So far from a 00:00 start, I'm now at 17:04 and it happens all the time.

Also when you have services leave Thornton Yard and the loco has to run around it's train if you route the train onto the Down Cowenbeath to ET777 either manually or ARS when the route needs to be set from ET953 (Reverse) to ET777, the signal doesn't clear at all so you have to talk the loco past the signal at danger yet if if you route said train onto the loop and run the loco around it's train then when you set the route from ET953 (Reverse) to ET779 you get a shunt signal aspect.

Why is this?
Platform 17 is an odd on and I am not sure why it does it, but if you click on E483 to signal E495 or E497 or E499 (missing out Signal E485) you then get Proceed aspectcs on the main signal not the shunt.
I always thought you had to set the signal from E483 to E485 to E495 etc otherwise isn't the driver passing E485 at danger? Apologies if it sounds wrong but that's how I thought it was done?

I be interested to hear why that's not the case though?
E483 is R/G only. It won't change main aspect until E485 is showing proceed.

As for Redford Jn run rounds, I'd imagine that you have to leave the wagons on the loop and not on the mainline. It not Permissive.

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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 14:33 #130683
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I have a question.
Whilst playing the Edinburgh August 2006 timetable it seems that the driver of virtually every class 6 train that occupies one of the loops (up and down) between Prestonpans and Grantshouse, phones to say that his train is waiting at a red signal.
Invariably each train has a booked departure time from the loop, which I would have thought was for a specific reason, i.e. to hold because there is a faster train which is going to pass. I appreciate that there are times when you could allow an early departure because you could divert into another loop, but if there are no loops into which you could divert, you could foul things up further up/down the route.

My question is this. In real life, would drivers phone the signaller to ask for an early departure, or would they sit and wait for the booked departure time, which I presume they are aware of, and perhaps pass the time of day with a cup of tea which they might have in a flask, or wouldn’t tea drinking be allowed.

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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 14:33 #130684
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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 14:36 #130685
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I feel like it's more the driver advising you that they will go early if you signal them to go, in simsig speak
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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 14:36 #130686
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ajax103 in post 130679 said:
MarkC in post 130677 said:
ajax103 in post 130675 said:
I'm currently playing the 1993 timetable and I've observed something that I don't understand when setting a specific route at Edinburgh itself.

This being when you have a train in Platform 17 that is behind E483 and you manually set a onward route either from E483 to E485 to E497 or if you set the route from E485 to E497 first then set the route from E483 to E485, E483 will only show a shunt aspect with E485 showing a full aspect.

However, let ARS set the above route and E483 doesn't show a shunt aspect but rather a full aspect so why is this?

So far from a 00:00 start, I'm now at 17:04 and it happens all the time.

Also when you have services leave Thornton Yard and the loco has to run around it's train if you route the train onto the Down Cowenbeath to ET777 either manually or ARS when the route needs to be set from ET953 (Reverse) to ET777, the signal doesn't clear at all so you have to talk the loco past the signal at danger yet if if you route said train onto the loop and run the loco around it's train then when you set the route from ET953 (Reverse) to ET779 you get a shunt signal aspect.

Why is this?
Platform 17 is an odd on and I am not sure why it does it, but if you click on E483 to signal E495 or E497 or E499 (missing out Signal E485) you then get Proceed aspectcs on the main signal not the shunt.
I always thought you had to set the signal from E483 to E485 to E495 etc otherwise isn't the driver passing E485 at danger? Apologies if it sounds wrong but that's how I thought it was done?

I be interested to hear why that's not the case though?
It did in the .exe but the release notes for V5.1 tell you about the change.

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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 16:14 #130688
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flabberdacks in post 130685 said:
I feel like it's more the driver advising you that they will go early if you signal them to go, in simsig speak
So not in reality then?

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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 16:32 #130689
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bugsy in post 130683 said:
My question is this. In real life, would drivers phone the signaller to ask for an early departure, or would they sit and wait for the booked departure time, which I presume they are aware of, and perhaps pass the time of day with a cup of tea which they might have in a flask, or wouldn’t tea drinking be allowed.
It's the railway, tea drinking is compulsory.

The class 66s have a hotplate and everything.

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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 16:41 #130690
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ajax103 in post 130679 said:
MarkC in post 130677 said:
ajax103 in post 130675 said:
I'm currently playing the 1993 timetable and I've observed something that I don't understand when setting a specific route at Edinburgh itself.

This being when you have a train in Platform 17 that is behind E483 and you manually set a onward route either from E483 to E485 to E497 or if you set the route from E485 to E497 first then set the route from E483 to E485, E483 will only show a shunt aspect with E485 showing a full aspect.

However, let ARS set the above route and E483 doesn't show a shunt aspect but rather a full aspect so why is this?

So far from a 00:00 start, I'm now at 17:04 and it happens all the time.

Also when you have services leave Thornton Yard and the loco has to run around it's train if you route the train onto the Down Cowenbeath to ET777 either manually or ARS when the route needs to be set from ET953 (Reverse) to ET777, the signal doesn't clear at all so you have to talk the loco past the signal at danger yet if if you route said train onto the loop and run the loco around it's train then when you set the route from ET953 (Reverse) to ET779 you get a shunt signal aspect.

Why is this?
Platform 17 is an odd on and I am not sure why it does it, but if you click on E483 to signal E495 or E497 or E499 (missing out Signal E485) you then get Proceed aspectcs on the main signal not the shunt.
I always thought you had to set the signal from E483 to E485 to E495 etc otherwise isn't the driver passing E485 at danger? Apologies if it sounds wrong but that's how I thought it was done?

I be interested to hear why that's not the case though?
It is in the manual https://www.simsig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=simulations:Edinburgh:Edinburghsareas#edinburgh_waverley although I grant you it's a very thorough manual, it took me all evening to read through.

If you try it you'll notice that E485 comes off, it certainly doesn't remain on and the driver won't be passing it at danger.

It's just a quirk of the routesetting arrangements, a bit like the way you never route up to and then from a running shunt signal, you always route to the next signal or exit arrow and the shunt clears first. Ordinarily you would have to set both parts of the route E483-E485, E485-E495/7/9, it's just in this case there's something different. Probably it reflects the arrangement of the old NX panel and I would presume it was done for efficiency or perhaps so you don't forget to set both halves of the route. You can imagine someone trying to set E483-E495 and then thinking, oh dammit, I forgot E485 and having to start again. Then you can imagine someone else thinking, well you always have to have E485 off to get a main aspect on E483, why don't we just have it clear automatically when a route is set from E483 to E495/7/9

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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 17:10 #130693
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ajax103 in post 130675 said:

Also when you have services leave Thornton Yard and the loco has to run around it's train if you route the train onto the Down Cowenbeath to ET777 either manually or ARS when the route needs to be set from ET953 (Reverse) to ET777, the signal doesn't clear at all so you have to talk the loco past the signal at danger yet if if you route said train onto the loop and run the loco around it's train then when you set the route from ET953 (Reverse) to ET779 you get a shunt signal aspect.
7G31 is a problem, reversing on main line. The other 3 with run round 7G27, 6G28, 6G30 reverse in the DGL

Will update to fix, run round 7G31 in DGL and pass through the yard.
That does also create the opportunity for a Mexican with 6G30

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Edinburgh v5 issues. 15/08/2020 at 17:17 #130694
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TUT in post 130689 said:
bugsy in post 130683 said:
My question is this. In real life, would drivers phone the signaller to ask for an early departure, or would they sit and wait for the booked departure time, which I presume they are aware of, and perhaps pass the time of day with a cup of tea which they might have in a flask, or wouldn’t tea drinking be allowed.
It's the railway, tea drinking is compulsory.

The class 66s have a hotplate and everything.
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