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Summer 1991 timetable 28/11/2020 at 14:30 #134213
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Table 52 in post 134212 said:
I also ended up with 2Z99 DS at Radlett on. Tuesday TT, also got 2Z56 as well. The situation was made worse by one of the up overnight passenger services breaking down at St Albans for an hour, effectively knocking out the US all the way from Harpenden Jn to West Hampstead.
Your a brave man playing faults & failures on. I guess I'd recommend when you first play this TT play it without faults & failures first & once you've got used to the various traffic flows on the different days of the week then put the daults & failures on. Fortunately the traffic levels between midnight & 04.30 when the through Thameslink services start running from Bedford & the traffic levels start to increase. But there's plenty of scope with the panel having 4 tracks over the majority of it so trains can be switched between lines.

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Summer 1991 timetable 28/11/2020 at 15:09 #134215
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Got to about 7:30am so far. The last hour has been challenging. I noticed a few platform conflicts at Luton, I assume these are conflicts in the real life timetable rather than errors?
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Summer 1991 timetable 28/11/2020 at 16:14 #134218
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swiftaw in post 134215 said:
Got to about 7:30am so far. The last hour has been challenging. I noticed a few platform conflicts at Luton, I assume these are conflicts in the real life timetable rather than errors?
When testing was carried out the conflicts that were raised by the user on Panel 3 they were changed to go inro P1 instead of P2 if there was a train in P2. Obviously if a train terminates in P3 to go to Luton North Jn to reverse sometimes you can get Cl.6 freights waiting for the DS to become clear & as a result trains following behind can get delayed, but not to the point where we thought trains had to change platforms at Luton. Some changes were made from the original TT & maybe 1 or 2 might have slipped through the net or the user didn't think the delay necessitated a platform alteration. Yes it does get tight, but usually on this sim & time can be recovered easily so by the time a train departs late it is generally on time by the time it gets to St. Albans City. Whilst testing I was on Panel 4 cos I wanted to make sure the yard shunts at Bedford were all in order. Whilst running round a train in P1 I always ended up forgetting about a Cl.5 in Bedford North Sdg. Once the freight had left P1 at Bedford I'd bring the first Cl.5 into P1 & it normally departed 7 minutes late from Bedford. However I used to run it FL vice SL as the linespeed is 10mph faster & ny the time this train got to St. Albans City it was back on time despite calling at all stations between Bedford & St. Albans City. Something to think about if you've got a train leaving Bedford late. Some of the all station services between Luton & London running on the SL can recover some minutes if late leavung Luton late. You could run those trains FL from Harpenden Jn if there's nowt coming on the UF from the north & then cross them back over at Radlett Jn, or possibly West Hampstead South Jn if there's sufficient allowance between that train & the next one on the UF.

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Summer 1991 timetable 29/11/2020 at 14:17 #134247
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The conflict that I noticed was between 5M35 and 5J07. Unless I'm misreading, 5M35 parked in the north loop blocks 5J07s access to platform 2.
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Summer 1991 timetable 29/11/2020 at 15:42 #134249
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swiftaw in post 134247 said:
The conflict that I noticed was between 5M35 and 5J07. Unless I'm misreading, 5M35 parked in the north loop blocks 5J07s access to platform 2.
Funny you should mention 5M35 cos if memory serves me correctly this train is actually a 'Q' cars from Slhurst T&RSMD to Bedford CS as shown in the King's Cross Thameslink/St. Pancras station working book which was used to create this timetable. There are a handful of these trains booked to run either way in the TT. But as 'Q' cars they don't always run.iirc they are set at 50% running as theyrun as required. Therefore when the platform clashh at Luton was noticedd it was decided not to do anything about it as it wasn't always guaranteed to appear for one & seecondly more importantly for the Bedford end iff you ran it straight through it would arrive at Bedford up to 20 mins early & as a result could block a platform for that amount of time at Bedford until it goers into the CS. I'd suggest you let it wait at on the approach at Luton until such time as you can send it through. It's not an important train as it doesn't form a passenger services at Bedford. It only goes in the CS. Similarly some of the Hoo Jn - Forders Sdgs trains which RR in P1 aat Bedford can arrive up to 15mins or more at Bedford South Jn. The usual way West Hampstead dealt with early running ffreights was to hold them before Bedford South Jn on the DS until such time ass the relief at Bedford wwas ready or when platform 1 is available to accept the train to RR. If it arrivees too early once the loco ree-joins the train in P1 after it has RR, the train could end up waiting till booked time before it departs on the Bedford - Bletchley line. This is another thing you need to keep an eye on.

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Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 08:51 #134260
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To be honest, there was a 'Q' ECS movement from Cricklewood to Selhurst, but I put it on the Dep/Rec line and told the driver to wait, four times per hour But after 2Z56 finished, I let them go.
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Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 12:07 #134263
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sunocske in post 134260 said:
To be honest, there was a 'Q' ECS movement from Cricklewood to Selhurst, but I put it on the Dep/Rec line and told the driver to wait, four times per hour But after 2Z56 finished, I let them go.
Yes that one is a bit awkward if 2Z56 is about. That said there wasn't alot of point in altering it partly cos the 'q' train has a 50% chance of appearing & also IIRC 2Z56 has a 25% chance of appearing. Personally for me as it's a 'Q' cars they could turn up anytime subjectt to what work was being carried out at elhurst T&RSMD. I remember back in 1990 when I worked in Liverpool Street RCO there was a booked 'Q' path taking a couple of units from Bishops Stortford to Ilford CS & a return working from Ilford CS. These 2 trains would go into an empty platform at Liverpool Street station for the driver to change endss. These 2 trains ran preetty much everyday.

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Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 13:25 #134270
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Table 52 in post 134212 said:
I also ended up with 2Z99 DS at Radlett on. Tuesday TT, also got 2Z56 as well. The situation was made worse by one of the up overnight passenger services breaking down at St Albans for an hour, effectively knocking out the US all the way from Harpenden Jn to West Hampstead.
It's unwise to run this timetable with delays and/or failures turned on.


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Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 14:12 #134271
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Right at the start of the timetable, seed trains 2T32 and 5G48 both show 80 metres in length, but their descriptions aren't the same, one implies a 4 car set and the other implies 8 car. Is this right?
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Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 17:17 #134279
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KymriskaDraken in post 134270 said:


It's unwise to run this timetable with delays and/or failures turned on.


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I went for standard, but then turned failures to zero, so all I get is a small number of late runners and the occasional breakdown. It’s how I run most sims - it gives a little bit of spice and variety, but not enough to throw the whole service into chaos.

Of course, if a train were to break down at Farringdon, I may regret this!

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Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 20:45 #134289
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flabberdacks in post 134271 said:
Right at the start of the timetable, seed trains 2T32 and 5G48 both show 80 metres in length, but their descriptions aren't the same, one implies a 4 car set and the other implies 8 car. Is this right?
I'm a bit confused with what you are saying. I've just opened West Hampstead & got a Tuesday. Both those trains you've mentioned are shown on the F2 as well as in the F4 as being 4 car units = 80m. Therefore I don't quite see where you think one of them is an 8 car. Neither of them join anything at Bedford, just go into the CS via the washer. 5G79 which seeds in P3 at Luton is an 8 car unit which also goes to Bedford CS. The Circuit numbers allocated tto the units in the train description should also tell you whether it's an 8 car or 4 car as these are taken from the station working book. The only thing I can think of is that you had a quick glance at the F2 screen & 5G48 & 5G79 are above one another one showing 80m & the other 160m & it's quite easy to mis-interpret the F2 at a quick glance. From what I can see no changes are required. I suspect you are running a Monday to have 2T32 on the panel & looking at the TT data that too shows 80m for a 4 car set. That train btw doesn't have a Circuit bumber as I don't have the Sunday book only the Mon-Fri edition.

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Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 21:02 #134292
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Probably because the two descriptions are

5G48 (The seed version) - [SEED]23+55 [BE] EWD ECS Luton - Bedford CS (EMU Circ:850 NMLX SU 8/Cl.319)
2T32 (The seed version) - 2139 [B3] SUN Brighton - Bedford (EMU NMLX SU 4/Cl.319)

Both are 4 cars in the train type, but the emphasized part of description doesn't match that.

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Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 21:21 #134293
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headshot119 in post 134292 said:
Probably because the two descriptions are

5G48 (The seed version) - [SEED]23+55 [BE] EWD ECS Luton - Bedford CS (EMU Circ:850 NMLX SU 8/Cl.319)
2T32 (The seed version) - 2139 [B3] SUN Brighton - Bedford (EMU NMLX SU 4/Cl.319)

Both are 4 cars in the train type, but the emphasized part of description doesn't match that.
Yes it's a typo in the Train Description as another user has PM'd me. Appologise for that. Easiest way round is for all users to amend their own copies of the TT. Thanks anyway to those who have highlighted this.

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