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| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 16:32 #134865 | |
mjkerr
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I do not appear to have any problem moving (AC) light locos released from northbound services I then move them to the Wall, and they disappear However, I have been unable to work out how to retrieve them I have a test working, simulation starts at 00:00 0C01 00:50 Wall to UP LOS, reverse CE336, SB There is no suitable entry point for this I am able to create a Seed at Signal CE320, but the loco is required at 14:50 and not the timetable start Once this works, I need to set the time to 14:50 Any and all advice welcome DELETED Last edited: 18/12/2020 at 16:34 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 17:10 #134869 | |
jc92
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Trains don't disappear into wall siding. They remain in the sim, but aren't visible as there's no track circuiting. That's why there's no entry location ( on the F2 list you'll be able to see the train sat in the siding.) Seed the loco at the signal at the north end, then make the first timetable location Wall siding with a departure time of 14:50. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 17:34 #134870 | |
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mjkerr
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jc92 in post 134869 said:Seed the loco at the signal at the north end, then make the first timetable location Wall siding with a departure time of 14:50 That is annoying, as this headcode sits at the top of the listing from start of simulation until required Is there an alternative? DELETED Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 17:42 #134871 | |
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Albert
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This is according to reality as there is no yard control who inform you about entering trains for tracks that are under your own control. It is your job as signaller to make sure you don't put more trains in the wall siding than fit in it.
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| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 18:24 #134874 | |
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jc92
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mjkerr in post 134870 said:jc92 in post 134869 said:I dont understand why its annoying?Seed the loco at the signal at the north end, then make the first timetable location Wall siding with a departure time of 14:50 And no, the only alternative is to run a loco into wall siding and then have a next activity however the loco will still sit there all day. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 18:36 #134875 | |
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mjkerr
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jc92 in post 134874 said:I dont understand why its annoying? Timetable starts at 00:00 Loco seeds on Wall at 00:00 Loco not required until 14:50 As a result it sits at the top of the table (train listing) DELETED Last edited: 18/12/2020 at 18:36 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 19:18 #134877 | |
Dick
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And??
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| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 19:23 #134878 | |
postal
5190 posts |
mjkerr in post 134875 said:jc92 in post 134874 said:So you want the F2 train listing to be inaccurate. The loco has run into the Wall Siding the previous day and is available in the signaller's area of control right through until 14:50. In real life it would be a hot spare for the operators in the event of a loco failure. It could be used in the SimSig situation by re-timetabling on the fly if things have become disturbed and a loco is needed for a traction change. Perhaps SimSig is not for you if realism causes annoyance.I dont understand why its annoying? “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Stephen Fulcher |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 19:34 #134879 | |
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TUT
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mjkerr in post 134875 said:jc92 in post 134874 said:I don't think all of the rudeness is entirely fair on you, but this is normal and true to life. As others have said, it represents a situation where a loco has been run in at some point the previous day and it is incumbent on you to know it's there. Imagine if a hack was introduced to allow the loco to materialise at 14:50. Some poor hapless player, knowing the wall siding was empty, could have run something in there and that could cause problems. Unless we just pretend the wall siding is a siding complex or something with multiple roads, in which case, you know, well I think we all prefer realism.I dont understand why its annoying? Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 20:30 #134880 | |
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mjkerr
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I solved the problem, the loco is supposed to be in SB It is an operation from the previous day, so I had to go back three hours to find out where it had come from The loco is released from the previous day Euston - Carlisle service As a result I already had a loco for that next service In effect two Class 87/0, where I only needed one DELETED Last edited: 18/12/2020 at 20:37 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 20:44 #134881 | |
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mjkerr
174 posts |
As for operations from the Wall Are they sequential? So if I send in : Class 47/4, Class 86 then Class 87/0 Does the sim correctly send out the Class 87/0 first? DELETED Last edited: 18/12/2020 at 20:45 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 20:53 #134882 | |
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Albert
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Yes, as it is one track. It works just like a platform or siding track, it just doesn't have an exit on the south side. If one of the rear locos wants to leave, it will show status 'Train xxxx in front'. AJP in games Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 20:56 #134883 | |
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TUT
507 posts |
The sim doesn't 'send them out' you're thinking about it like an entry/exit point when it isn't, it's like a bay platform or track-circuited siding. The trains stay in the sim so yes indeed they will remain in the order that they are sent in all the while they are in there and they will necessarily depart in reverse order. And if you put trains in in the wrong order then they can get trapped behind trains that depart later. The fact that the siding isn't track circuited doesn't mean the trains have left the sim, it just means they're not standing on a track circuit so their presence isn't displayed to the signaller on the panel. Oxford has a number of non-track circuited sidings where trains reverse throughout the day (at least in the era I last played it did). Hours of fun.
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| Loco movements to and from Wall 18/12/2020 at 21:03 #134884 | |
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mjkerr
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Albert in post 134882 said:Yes, as it is one track. It works just like a platform or siding track, it just doesn't have an exit on the south side Yes, familiar with it from watching operations in the 1980s I remember once a Class 86 was trapped, and it took nearly 30 minutes to get the required loco released and then the spare locos back in place I solved this with a spreadsheet, with top and bottom closure, and so far so good It is similar for the Class 47/4 locos for the GSW, trapped loco on arrival so one spare is required to release then complicated by the Stranraer - Euston swap over DELETED Last edited: 18/12/2020 at 21:06 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 16:41 #134977 | |
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mjkerr
174 posts |
Is there any way to resolve this? The loco has ended duties, then sent to wall Now it sits in the Train List for the remainder of the day  Post has attachments. Log in to view them. DELETED Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 16:45 #134980 | |
Steamer
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There's nothing to 'resolve'. As has been made clear further up the thread, the train is still in the simulation, therefore it's shown on the F2 list. If you really don't like it showing up, dump it in one of the yards where it'll fall off the sim. Kingmoor will do. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 16:57 #134983 | |
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Albert
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The loco will continue to take up space in the wall siding (i.e. less room for other trains) unless you instruct it to go elsewhere. This is according to reality.
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| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 17:04 #134985 | |
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mjkerr
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Steamer in post 134980 said:If you really don't like it showing up, dump it in one of the yards where it'll fall off the sim. Kingmoor will do. A Class 87/0 to Kingmoor Depot in the 1980s er, no I might try something else The loco has been released at 04:00, so I need to see what it does next... DELETED Last edited: 20/12/2020 at 17:06 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 17:09 #134987 | |
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mjkerr
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I think I have found it I have a Class 87/0 on 0P49, then run round I assumed that was correct Instead this could be a Class 86 which then goes spare to 11:00 DELETED Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 17:13 #134988 | |
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jc92
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mjkerr in post 134985 said:Steamer in post 134980 said:I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we've got a set of loco diagrams for pretty much all the AC classes which show 87s working to and from kingmoor and Carlisle, which will be going into the 79/80 timetable in due course, along with several instances of 87s working in multiple on freightliner traffic.If you really don't like it showing up, dump it in one of the yards where it'll fall off the sim. Kingmoor will do. I suspect you meant post sectorisation, rather than just "the 1980s" "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 17:18 #134989 | |
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mjkerr
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jc92 said:I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we've got a set of loco diagrams for pretty much all the AC classes which show 87s working to and from kingmoor and Carlisle, which will be going into the 79/80 timetable in due course, along with several instances of 87s working in multiple on freightliner traffic. No the period is 1986 / 1987, just as sectorisation came in Kingmoor was still diesel only, so diesel only At that point Kingmoor was only used for A Check, not out and return DELETED Last edited: 20/12/2020 at 17:21 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 17:37 #134992 | |
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jc92
3629 posts |
So you mean post sectorisation, not just the 1980s.
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| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 18:48 #134995 | |
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mjkerr
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jc92 in post 134992 said:So you mean post sectorisation, not just the 1980s Yes and no During this period I had never seen any electric locos at Kingmoor, it is just before then Looking at the WTT there is only one electric loco between Carlisle station and Kingmoor depot All the rest are Upperby Depot to Carlisle All other movements from Kingmoor depot are Class 08, 20, 31, 47 DELETED Last edited: 20/12/2020 at 19:10 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Loco movements to and from Wall 20/12/2020 at 20:27 #135003 | |
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mjkerr
174 posts |
This looks like an oversight and I simplified the Class 87/0 usage It would appear this is always one spare, but they swap over during the 24 hour period I had it coming in from Wall Departing to Wall, then spare There is then the Carlisle - Euston service, but I recycled that Class 87/0 (Run Round) Next is the Stranraer - Euston, again I recycled that loco (Run Round) However at this time Class 87 were shared with Freight, and I have not included any GSW swap locos (which would have taken place within the station area; S2, S1, P1, P3, SB, SA or P1 DELETED Last edited: 20/12/2020 at 20:29 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |