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Cheshire Lines Timetables 11/07/2020 at 20:28 #129481 | |
jc92
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Peter Bennet in post 129480 said:Humorist in post 129436 said:Normally followed by everyone else in the meeting silently thinking "thank god someone asked, I didn't have a clue either"Peter Bennet in post 129414 said:I do have a bit of a habit at work for stopping people in mid-flow to ask them what they are talking about!What's a UTU?Peter - thanks for asking. That's the trouble with TLAs, no-one has the balls to ask. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Soton_Speed |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 12/07/2020 at 09:28 #129495 | |
kbarber
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Phil-jmw in post 129462 said:A collection of traction and (sometimes) vehicles that passes through sections complete with tail lamp in obedience to the signals. Isn't it? Apart from class (for regulating) and destination/route (at junctions), what more does a bobby need to know? Last edited: 12/07/2020 at 09:29 by kbarber Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 12/07/2020 at 09:51 #129496 | |
DriverCurran
688 posts |
So how do you comply with table 'D' of the sectional appendix as a signaller if you don't what what the various component vehicles are of each train that you require to comply with your signals. Paul You have to get a red before you can get any other colour Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 13/07/2020 at 09:08 #129535 | |
kbarber
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DriverCurran in post 129496 said:So how do you comply with table 'D' of the sectional appendix as a signaller if you don't what what the various component vehicles are of each train that you require to comply with your signals.You'll have to enlighten me Paul. The newest SA here in dinosaur world is 1980, tables D2 and D3 have to do with single line tokens (delivery & receipt by other than signalmen and auxiliary instruments where token withdrawn by trainmen). Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 13/07/2020 at 11:10 #129541 | |
Phil-jmw
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kbarber in post 129495 said:Phil-jmw in post 129462 said:With regard to regulating speed is crucial, especially where the same train classification involves different speeds, eg UTU's. They all run Class 3 but transit at up to 75mph, while recording max speed is 30mph. Misread the notices and get them mixed up (as occasionally happens) and an orderly queue can soon form behind one that is recording.A collection of traction and (sometimes) vehicles that passes through sections complete with tail lamp in obedience to the signals. Isn't it? Apart from class (for regulating) and destination/route (at junctions), what more does a bobby need to know? Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 13/07/2020 at 11:23 #129542 | |
DriverCurran
688 posts |
Keith Table D these days lists if a particular type of vehicle is authorised to run over a piece of track or if there are any restrictions in place. On Oxted I have used those tables to apply a speed of 10 mph (I think) over Oxted viaduct for any train that has a locomotive in its formation. While that is a fairly wide application, there could be a table D instruction for wagons that say a HEA can run at the maximum speed for the train, whereas a HEB can only do 15 mph and an OPPOS restriction is in force for the Reversible if the train is on the Up Main. Yes I know these wagon types may or may not exist. For those not in the know :- OPPOS - Opposite line to be blocked to traffic. Paul You have to get a red before you can get any other colour Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 13/07/2020 at 14:19 #129545 | |
clive
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DriverCurran in post 129542 said:Running lines and/or sidings mentioned on the right-hand side of the load looking in the direction of travel must be clear, and no train signalled 2-6-2 or 2-6-3 must be allowed on the running lines and/or sidings on the left-hand side of the load. To be signalled by the special 'Is line clear?' signal 2-6-3. Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 14/07/2020 at 09:10 #129564 | |
kbarber
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DriverCurran in post 129542 said:KeithDERWENT Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 19/07/2020 at 22:00 #129793 | |
whatlep
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A 1977 timetable is now with the Mods for approval. It features a large amount of freight traffic that needs careful regulating. On the passenger side, there is the Altrincham-Manchester EMU service of happier days at intervals as close as 5 minutes, with 3 Chester DMUs per hour also finding a path to Oxford Road in as little as 13 minutes, non-stop. I hope users enjoy it. Huge thank you to phil-jmw for helping test the new timetable. Any errors are, of course, down to me. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 20/07/2020 at 12:50 #129804 | |
Chromatix
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HEA does exist - it's a bogie hopper, air braked. HEB would be the same wagon with dual air/vacuum brake fitment.
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Cheshire Lines Timetables 20/07/2020 at 13:23 #129806 | |
jc92
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Chromatix in post 129804 said:HEA does exist - it's a bogie hopper, air braked. HEB would be the same wagon with dual air/vacuum brake fitment.HEAs are 2 axle speedlink coal network hoppers, although latterly theyve also been used for aggregate and scrap "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: kbarber |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 20/07/2020 at 14:36 #129807 | |
Chromatix
190 posts |
Ah, got that confused with HHA and HTA. The point is that the last letter of the triplet identifies the brake type independently of the rest of the wagon, so a difference in loading gauge would not be expected between A and B (or V). An unfitted or through-piped wagon type would have implications for the train class, but this is already encoded into the headcode.
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Cheshire Lines Timetables 22/07/2020 at 07:03 #129867 | |
geswedey
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Brilliant timetable, enjoying it, all the freight makes it even more of a challenge, road users must have been really frustrated as the barriers were raised for such a short time at Nav Rd and Deansgate during the peak looks worse than Brimsdown and Enfield Lock crossings, crossings I am familiar with in my home town of Enfield are during the rush hours now. Glyn Glyn Calvert ACIRO Log in to reply The following user said thank you: whatlep |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 23/07/2020 at 22:15 #129917 | |
whatlep
377 posts |
geswedey in post 129867 said:Brilliant timetable, enjoying it, all the freight makes it even more of a challenge, road users must have been really frustrated as the barriers were raised for such a short time at Nav Rd and Deansgate during the peak looks worse than Brimsdown and Enfield Lock crossings, crossings I am familiar with in my home town of Enfield are during the rush hours now.Thanks so much Glyn. It was, as you suggest, a somewhat tense atmosphere in rush hour around Navigation Road and Deansgate Jn. Reopening Deansgate Jn between trains was a real no-no in 1977 as the crossing gates were real, old-fashioned ones, controlled from a "ship's wheel". Navigation Road was full barriers with push-button control, but a much busier road and without breaks in traffic in the rush hour. Hard to do more than simply hit the down button and hope the traffic stopped clear. Before 1970, there was also a level crossing on the main A560 at Altrincham station's throat, but that really was just too much for road and rail users to cope with by the late 1960s. Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 23/07/2020 at 23:03 #129919 | |
Phil-jmw
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whatlep in post 129917 said:geswedey in post 129867 said:I'm just looking at some photos of the old Altrincham North SB on another site Peter (your photos actually), do you know why the corner of the box facing the crossing was cut off at an angle?Brilliant timetable, enjoying it, all the freight makes it even more of a challenge, road users must have been really frustrated as the barriers were raised for such a short time at Nav Rd and Deansgate during the peak looks worse than Brimsdown and Enfield Lock crossings, crossings I am familiar with in my home town of Enfield are during the rush hours now.Thanks so much Glyn. It was, as you suggest, a somewhat tense atmosphere in rush hour around Navigation Road and Deansgate Jn. Reopening Deansgate Jn between trains was a real no-no in 1977 as the crossing gates were real, old-fashioned ones, controlled from a "ship's wheel". Navigation Road was full barriers with push-button control, but a much busier road and without breaks in traffic in the rush hour. Hard to do more than simply hit the down button and hope the traffic stopped clear. Last edited: 23/07/2020 at 23:05 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 24/07/2020 at 01:15 #129924 | |
whatlep
377 posts |
Phil-jmw in post 129919 said:It was to provide an unobstructed view of the level crossing complex, which was not simply one road. On either side of the crossing there were T junctions with local roads. Traffic could (and did) queue to get in & out of the local roads. I'm guessing that you've found the picture attached which shows how the box's corner post was cut away and replaced in part with a thin steel rod to support the unchanged roof. How much difference it made I can't say, since the new road bridge (second picture) was built before I was around the area. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 24/07/2020 at 09:55 #129929 | |
Phil-jmw
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whatlep in post 129924 said:Phil-jmw in post 129919 said:Thanks Peter. I knew there had been a crossing there until the early 70's, but I didn't realise it was fed onto by such a complex road layout. Cutting away the corner of the box for a less obstructed view makes sense.It was to provide an unobstructed view of the level crossing complex, which was not simply one road. On either side of the crossing there were T junctions with local roads. Traffic could (and did) queue to get in & out of the local roads. I'm guessing that you've found the picture attached which shows how the box's corner post was cut away and replaced in part with a thin steel rod to support the unchanged roof. How much difference it made I can't say, since the new road bridge (second picture) was built before I was around the area. Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 07/08/2020 at 11:20 #130455 | |
whatlep
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The 1977 timetable is now even harder! V2.0 is with the Mods for authorisation and should, I hope, be available to download soon. Huge thanks to phil-jmw who made various suggestions, all of which I have shamelessly plagiarised, and then tested the new version. There are 12 more trains squeezed in, mostly on the already busy Skelton Jn routes, rules linking trains and associated light engine moves and some fixes for a few "nits" that irritated me. Detailed changes listed in the attached file. I hope you enjoy the new improved, extra-stress version! Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
Cheshire Lines Timetables 19/02/2022 at 12:51 #145265 | |
whatlep
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I've done a periodic review of the 1977 and 1985 May & September timetables and new versions should shortly be available to download. The only changes are to passenger services' reversal locations. Trains reversing at Altrincham in 1977 now do so correctly at ground signal AM59. Trains due to reverse at Greenbank in all timetables now go "off stage" to/from Hartford Jn to avoid a need for manual intervention to reset train direction on the Greenbank triangle (due to a bug in the simulation). Some manual intervention is still required for trains reversing at Plumley signalbox, as described in the timetable's guidance (under the General tab). Log in to reply |