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| Passenger trains and GPLs 21/03/2019 at 19:10 #116499 | |
trolleybus
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I'd always understood that passenger trains could not normally be signalled by GPLs. Clearly this isn't a hard rule, as arrangements can be made during disruption, but it normally stands. The last CrossCountry into Stansted Airport in the evening and the first one out in the morning reverse in Stansted Mountfitchet at signal 5397, a GPL. Is this as unusual as I think? Log in to reply |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 21/03/2019 at 19:16 #116501 | |
KymriskaDraken
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trolleybus in post 116499 said:I'd always understood that passenger trains could not normally be signalled by GPLs. Clearly this isn't a hard rule, as arrangements can be made during disruption, but it normally stands.I would guess that it's relatively rare. Of course signal box "footnotes" can rewrite Rules & Regulations to suit local conditions. Kev Log in to reply The following user said thank you: trolleybus |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 21/03/2019 at 20:26 #116505 | |
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TUT
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Rule book module S7 Observing and obeying signalling indications Train warning systems Reporting signalling failures and irregularities regulation 3.1 states: Quote: 3.1 Passenger train at a position-light or semaphore shunting signalThe phrase "unless authority is published" usually does quite a lot of work on the railways. At Great Missenden, too, (Marylebone IECC) the crossover is signalled by GPLs and up trains starting back there will proceed on the authority of a GPL. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: trolleybus |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 22/03/2019 at 08:58 #116524 | |
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geswedey
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If a GPL or similar proves a route and is able to be cleared it is preferable to use this rather than authorising a passenger train to pass a signal at danger as well Glyn Glyn Calvert ACIRO Log in to reply |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 22/03/2019 at 09:57 #116526 | |
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topbanana
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geswedey in post 116524 said:If a GPL or similar proves a route and is able to be cleared it is preferable to use this rather than authorising a passenger train to pass a signal at danger as wellI have done this myself on quite a few occasions instead of talking past... I have also started passenger services from GPL's when terminating short. Log in to reply |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 22/03/2019 at 12:13 #116537 | |
madaboutrains
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I have had a look out of curiosity at starting Passenger trains of a Ground position light and I found this phase in WON/CPPP for blocks that require this particular move: Quote: AT [LOCATION] DOWN TRAINS ARE AUTHORISED TO TERMINATE AND START BACK AS UP TRAINS FROM THE DOWN PLATFORM LINE. A HANDSIGNALLER WILL NOT BE PROVIDED AND DRIVERS ARE AUTHORISEDAs a planner we have to take care to note when and when not we are permitted to do this. But usually its marked with the above note giving a indication that its been allowed. RIP Feltham Panel 1 Log in to reply The following user said thank you: trolleybus |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 22/03/2019 at 14:07 #116546 | |
Giantray
347 posts |
Elmers End station on the Mid Kent lines (under London Bridge ASC) used to have a GPL on the London End of the down Platform before a main signal was positioned there. There was an instruction in the Sectional Appendix that allowed passgener trains to start in the up direction under authority of the GPL.
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| Passenger trains and GPLs 23/03/2019 at 23:16 #116602 | |
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TomOF
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In the post-Hatfield world when seemingly half the countries routes would be closed at weekends, what would normally be the Cleethorpes - Manchester Airport would terminate at Scunthorpe. On a couple of occasions it ran into the platform without opening the doors then reversed via the GPLs at the Barnetby end before letting us off onto the waiting bus transport. Later on I used to commute on the last down St Pancras - Derby which would go via chellaston after Nottingham and then reverse via the GPL at Stenson. This was pretty much every night so must have been allowed. Log in to reply |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 24/03/2019 at 08:46 #116609 | |
ajax103
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I've dispatched passenger trains past GPLs before using flag and bat but that was only due to engineering works.
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| Passenger trains and GPLs 24/03/2019 at 09:58 #116610 | |
VInce
579 posts |
Hiya, The Stenson thing comes under the heading of it being authorised when published in the engineering and special operating notices since it was as a result of an engineering blockage between Sheet Stores Jcn and Derby. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 24/03/2019 at 13:05 #116612 | |
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bill_gensheet
1394 posts |
Is there a subtle differentiation between: 'you must not proceed' and 'TO TERMINATE AND START BACK ' Suggests a slightly different approach to a reversal 'out in a field' compared to a passenger call / departure, or is it just the latter is the instruction satisfying the former ? Log in to reply |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 25/03/2019 at 07:43 #116663 | |
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clive
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I remember once some disruption on the ECML and I was trying to get from Huntingdon to London. We were all told to go over to platform 3 and board the train there. It then ran forward on to the Down Fast (normal green with feather), then reversed direction and headed for London along the Up Fast, meaning we must have reversed under the authority of a GPL. I've also heard of trains being terminated at Sandy and departing south in passenger use during engineering works; another GPL move. That GPL is even mounted on a post at the end of the platform, not on the ground. Log in to reply |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 25/03/2019 at 18:26 #116735 | |
Hap
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Few places up here where we can start on a PLS in passenger service. The two that instantly come to mind are: Kirkcaldy UP platform heading in the DN direction. Holytown DN platform heading in the UP direction. Haymarket platform 3 in the DN direction is NOT permitted to start a passenger train in passenger service. It's laid out in the Sectional Appendix where local conditions apply for such movements. I'm pretty sure that any other facing road movements where a PLS/GPS is involved further away from the station requires pilotman working. (open for correction on that one) How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Last edited: 25/03/2019 at 18:28 by Hap Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Passenger trains and GPLs 25/03/2019 at 19:48 #116744 | |
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Giantray
347 posts |
There is also the case during Single Line working where GPLs are used to signal passenger trains. I have been on several trains out KGX that used GPLs at station platforms to shunt over and enter/leave single lines.
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| Passenger trains and GPLs 25/03/2019 at 20:58 #116751 | |
Edgemaster
332 posts |
The manual for the upcoming Sandhills sim includes a number of GPL moves that are permitted for departure from stations when services are disrupted.
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