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Bugs and other things I've noted 20/12/2022 at 13:19 #149450
RobJ
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57 posts 		I have come across some small problems with the Cornwall sim. I have a shunt going from Par East UM backing disk onto the US, eventually onto St Blazey. However, the driver is querying the route saying that he cannot get to St Blazey from Par US. I can clear backing PR40 (after SB27 and SB15 are pulled off for a 2-3-3), implying that this 'should' be possible? Please could I get some clarification, or a resolution reached.
PR-SB fault

While we're at it could we change Camborne to 'Cambourne' as the dev has forgotten the 'u'

Oh and also it should be possible for a train to go from Redruth to Truro yard, without reversing at Truro station, currently it is not, could this also be looked into, ta'.

Many thanks,
Rob
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Bugs and other things I've noted 20/12/2022 at 13:24 #149451
njimiller
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139 posts 		Hi. If you mean the station, then it is Camborne.
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Bugs and other things I've noted 20/12/2022 at 13:34 #149452
RobJ
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57 posts 		njimiller in post 149451 said:
Hi. If you mean the station, then it is Camborne.
So it is! Apparently there are multiple in the UK and Google when I checked brought up the wrong one!
CamboUrne is in Cambridgeshire! Camborne is in Cornwall! My bad!
Just thought it looked wrong :x
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Bugs and other things I've noted 20/12/2022 at 15:07 #149453
Stephen Fulcher
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2037 posts 		That route to St Blazey is not valid so the train is correctly calling wrong route.

The train has to be sent right line, not wrong line all the way through the block section.

The path between Redruth and Truro Yard I have logged as Mantis 37347
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Bugs and other things I've noted 20/12/2022 at 15:28 #149454
RobJ
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57 posts 		Stephen Fulcher in post 149453 said:
That route to St Blazey is not valid so the train is correctly calling wrong route.

The train has to be sent right line, not wrong line all the way through the block section.

The path between Redruth and Truro Yard I have logged as Mantis 37347

Ta'

The route from PR(US)-SB validates in the timetable editor, and as there is only one way to complete that move, one would assume the route has to be valid as a 2-3-3 between PR and SB. If the sim thought otherwise, it wouldn't validate on the WTT editor, surely?
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Bugs and other things I've noted 20/12/2022 at 16:06 #149456
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Online 		Stephen Fulcher in post 149453 said:
That route to St Blazey is not valid so the train is correctly calling wrong route.

The train has to be sent right line, not wrong line all the way through the block section.

The path between Redruth and Truro Yard I have logged as Mantis 37347
But what am I missing? There doesn't seem to be any way from PR40 to the Down Line, the only way is into the Up Main block section.

Of course that doesn't mean that one can necessarily send a train wrong line right the way through the (admittedly comparatively short) AB section, possibly it's only to be used for blocking back outside for shunting purposes.

It would be interesting to see the box instructions for St Blazey and/or Par. Working in wrong direction isn't something you can just do if you feel like it. In general it can be used only when it is necessary for a light locomotive or a multiple unit to proceed through one or more sections in the wrong direction to assist a failed train in one of three specific circumstances. It also requires permission from Ops Control. In general. Although the Sectional Appendix specifically authorised its use between the Banbury boxes and older issues of the Rule Book used to also state that it was allowed to be used where authorised in the box instructions, for example to access an intermediate siding from the box in advance. Those kind of things have been taken out of the Rule Book now though and are left entirely to the box instructions. There is also some debate about what you would do if you had to do a wrong direction movement through one or more AB sections and the train involved wasn't actually in the section at the time, but did definitely need to come back for example because of an obstruction of the line. I personally think the working in wrong direction rules should be made use of here as a far better alternative than cobbling together something on the day, but strictly speaking TW7 places no restriction on the length of a wrong-direction movement. The situations, anyway, in which you may authorise a wrong-direction move are clearly listed and the list doesn't include 'eh, because it looks easier than sending a train right line'.
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Bugs and other things I've noted 20/12/2022 at 16:36 #149458
Stephen Fulcher
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2037 posts 		Banbury was interlocked for that purpose with acceptance levers for the wrong directions.

The timetable path is Par to St Blazey, the platform codes aren’t taken into consideration which is why it will validate.

Tut is correct in that the signalled move is provided to block back outside the home signal only.
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Bugs and other things I've noted 20/12/2022 at 16:52 #149460
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1329 posts 		In which case why the grey exit arrow, rather than white, on the up branch ?
That grey arrow is named as SB15 / SB15AX.
The route clears OK and sets up line to TOL.

Saved game with single test train running that way.
Stops PR15 to complain 'booked via St Blazey' requiring timetable abandon to continue.

TT validation going down to specific platforms is usually only on ARS sims with PATH & LINE. This is just validating 'Par (somewhere)' to 'St Blazey (somewhere)'.
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Bugs and other things I've noted 21/12/2022 at 10:25 #149483
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1713 posts 		I think, as others have said, it's all about what's authorised. There were numerous block regulations in the old (1972) book I learned that were for use 'only where authorised'. Reg 32 (working in wrong direction) was one of them, as was Reg 31 (shunt into forward section), to name just 2. Sometimes there were other authorities that didn't exist in the Rule Book or Block Regs at all (the shunting authorities at Kensington Olympia spring to mind, complete with a series of local bell codes). Just because a move is physically possible doesn't mean it's permissible.
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Bugs and other things I've noted 22/12/2022 at 09:56 #149508
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657 posts 		RobJ in post 149450 said:


While we're at it could we change Camborne to 'Cambourne' as the dev has forgotten the 'u'

Many thanks,
Rob
As others have said Camborne without the u, is correct for the Cornish variety.

It is also very important to remember that trains don't stop Camborne Wednesdays ;)

Gareth
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Bugs and other things I've noted 22/12/2022 at 21:00 #149523
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493 posts 		TimTamToe in post 149508 said:

It is also very important to remember that trains don't stop Camborne Wednesdays ;)
They never have stopped Camborne Wednesdays and I don't think they ever will stop Camborne on a Wednesday!
"Signalman Exeter"
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Bugs and other things I've noted 23/12/2022 at 17:58 #149543
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896 posts 		Sam Tugwell in post 149523 said:
TimTamToe in post 149508 said:

It is also very important to remember that trains don't stop Camborne Wednesdays ;)
They never have stopped Camborne Wednesdays and I don't think they ever will stop Camborne on a Wednesday!

I'd like a return ticket - To here
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