DaveHarries: Unfortunately have to give someone a lift so I will be late in. But I WILL be in. Should be along around 2300
Jay_G: WH will be online shorlty
: I should be around for WH
Ben86: I'd be up for WH
markodonat: i prefer free panels 'cause i dont have any license
DaveHarries: I would join WH or Worksop (the latter preferably without the AB). Not played either for ages.
CTCThiago: I'm up for WH
Jay_G: West hampstead
Jay_G: I may host WH of others are interested
markodonat: any free host tonight?
mackeral1234: i would be up for hour or so but again not host
nsilvo: I would be up for one but I cant host
markodonat: any free sim multiplayer now?
headshot119: Override the track circuits at a guess...
: All in the Wiki: «link»
madaboutrains: what do the T/C overrides do on Watford Junction? for P6, P8, P9?
tjfrancis: 1 panel is free
tjfrancis: LTS is up
arabianights: sorry I was away longer than I expected, I will not be able to host LTS tonight for a proper period of time, if one is hosted I can probably drop in at 10:30 for a bit, I can also send the save file of the current session to someone
tjfrancis: lts comeing up
tjfrancis: well i hosting a exeter in 2 days
WinsfordSaltMine: I cant make out if its Derby or LTS lol
tjfrancis: look below WinsfordSaltMine
WinsfordSaltMine: Any sessions going?
tjfrancis: it not 9:30 yet give arabianights some time to get ready
nsilvo: anybody up for an LTS session,? only problem is I cant host
DaveHarries: I have found that as well.
: I think I could do with a 3rd monitor to work on LTS
nasher: any free sims open this evening?
DaveHarries: Will work on TT until Derby reopens
DaveHarries: I am back
Tomiexpress: closed for now thx
: ok thx
arabianights: that worked, I not staying tho
Tomiexpress: Hi all, someone pls try connect to derby ( ip 18.104.22.168 :50505) for try my port forwad
arabianights: I am taking dogs for walk shortly then will host it suggest you hurry your dinner up....
DaveHarries: Got dinner coming up though and not sure what time.
DaveHarries: If it is not too late I will join LTS for a bit. Going out at about 9:30.
arabianights: I will host LTS if someone else wants to join it and says so in shoutbox
DaveHarries: Same here but won't be around past about 10:30
: Anyone thinking of hosting this evening? I will be up for joining pretty much any sim
DaveHarries: I haven't got any of the TTs but I can't help thinking that a session with a steam timetable would be apt this evening after the passing of Ian Allen.
DSeaWall: Such sad news.
tjfrancis: yes you may mfcooper stll a bit shooke with the news
mfcooper: tjfrancis - Can I edit your thread title to fix the spelling/gramma?
Northern Line: any more sessions today?
tjfrancis: kings cross now cloused
DaveHarries: Therefore if anyone else hosts I will be in ASAP.
DaveHarries: Kings Cross is closing soon.
DaveHarries: I will be around all evening.
ajax103: ANy interest just PM me please
nasher: Ill be up for a session later, won't be able to host at all tonight though.
: Anyone fancy a session later tonight or tomorrow? Looking at a potential chain with a co-host if possible
tjfrancis: kings cross now open
DaveHarries: I have to go out briefly first but will likely join the session.
tjfrancis: a free sim wll be hosted around 6pm by me stll thinking on whart sim thouth
benp: Any Sims open?
lanzecki: Ahh. I have a train on the crossing block.. I'll have to let it clear I guess.
belly buster: Make sure you cancel the route across the crossing, then you should be able to raise it and then lower it
lanzecki: How can I clear a car blocking a crossing? It's been there for long time. I cannot raise the barrier either.
DaveHarries: hadn't realised it was so late tbh. Will be around tomorrow evening for sure if anything happens.
arabianights: no point then tbh
DaveHarries: But not for too long - probs only until about 10.
DaveHarries: I think dinner is fairly imminent but I will be around for a session after that.
arabianights: I will only host LTS but I will gladly join other games
welwyn: am around tonight but dont have LTS yet
arabianights: anyone around to continue yesterday's LTS session?
headshot119: Why do you keep writing to Geoff in the shoutbox? Stick to writing the problem in the forum buddy you'll get a much quicker response
lambie: dear geoffm.
: Will hope for a continuation of West Hampstead at some point. I would have joined last night;'s session but didn't get home from work until 10pm!
Ben86: it's indeed closed
AndyG: It's an open and shut case?
jc92: is west hamps still open?
AndyG: WH closed?
Jay_G: whoever is trying to connect, your port is wrong
Jay_G: yep, working!
Jay_G: you should be able to connect now.
Jay_G: Sorted it
Ben86: I'm on version 1.9
Jay_G: strange, lemme have a look at it
Ben86: Don't seem to be able to connect, Jay_G
Jay_G: ill load it up then!
Ben86: I'd be up for that, JG
Jay_G: anyone fancy a game on WH?
arabianights: still space chaps
: open for connections: «link»
arabianights: ok I was a bit later than I thought but game will be up in a few minutes
arabianights: will definitely happen though, unless someone else is hosting
arabianights: sorry something come up it'll be more like 20:30-21:00
arabianights: for the info of those lurking
arabianights: I am planning LTS continuatoin for around 19:45-20:00
belly buster: Saltley closed
GeoffM: Thanks, fixed
arabianights: (just to confirm whether this is a bug or not would be enough!)
arabianights: (seriously, I've no idea what you mean?)
arabianights: sounds erotic
headshot119: 13827 applies
GeoffM: Yeah, a signal number would help narrow it down!
: Saltley open «link»
headshot119: Arabian Which singal buddy?
arabianights: p.s. Geoff I assume auto signal with no auto working on LTS has been reported?
: LTS closed, another game about to start I have it on good authority
GeoffM: Client needs to update then
SSR: client is 1.0.0. the rest is matching
SSR: server is 1.1.2
GeoffM: Glad you're sorted, tambman
mfcooper: The host might be using the wrong version?
Have you and the host both clicked "Check for Updates" ?
GeoffM: Need both the sim and the application version to match on the server and clients
: I'm on 4.5.1 btw
Sacro: Is the client a different version?
SSR: Any clues to why I'm getting update loader message when connecting to a client
DaveHarries: I have dinner coming up: will join LTS on return which I think will be at about 8:40pm, if not before.
arabianights: on 22.214.171.124 : 500505
tjfrancis: yes lts
mackeral1234: Any Sim running this evening
nsilvo: right not played this for some time, lets see how I get on
tambman: GeoffM: Oh, silly me. I pressed "start" instead of "next". (you'd think I would have known that, been doing simsig for years). Thanks for your help. PS I used to be a signaller aT Fenny Compton (2001-4) and then at Leamington (2004-8, includes Westcad period) and I am delighted to now have a sim to recreate the experience (though without the painful shiftwork!!).
arabianights: still space on LTS, I am going to sort out some washing, any connections will be accepted on my return
arabianights: whoever is trying to connect with a lancashire ip, you are doing it wrong somehow but I can't say how#
: LTS open for connections «link»
GeoffM: tambman, when you select a simulation and click "Next", do you get a list of timetables?
arabianights: yesterday's LTS continuation willl happen fairly shortly
tambman: Nope. I've used all the default locations for the download (and even re-downloaded). I get the full diagram, and the clock works, but no timetable.
headshot119: Leamington Spa comes with a timetable, and can be found in the same location as the .sim file, make sure you have installed in the default location, or configured your're loader correctly if you've used a custom directory
tambman: Leamington Spa: Just downloaded, but no timetables present, and none on simsig website. Where are they?
tambman: Leamington Spa.
GeoffM: For the rest of us: "How do you buy the games?" and "In (the) store"
headshot119: Na loja
PAULO RENATO: como faço para comprAR JOGOS
Sacro: Actually, baring as in 'to bare' is. But still, not the one you meant!
Sacro: Yep, and 'baring' isn't a word. 'barring' perhaps?
arabianights: (isn't english a great language, three different words for the same thing)
arabianights: baring acts of god / satan / jeremey clarkson
arabianights: LTS is now shut, it will continue at approximately 7:30 tomoprrow
Sacro: What issues? Have you bought it via the shop? Allocated it?
zerofire: I would join you but simsig licensing for that sim is getting in the way.
arabianights: sudden departure on LTS someone to ease our load would be very appreciated
arabianights: panel 4 is still free on LTS
: LTS open for connections: «link»
arabianights: LTS game starting in 5 minutes
arabianights: I shall host something good in about an hour if demand
jadamson2704: I'm able to join a session too
DaveHarries: Am up if anyone is hosting.
DaveHarries: Just working on a TT for a bit but yes I will be in a while, probably after dinner.
tjfrancis: any one up for a sim
DSeaWall: Let me rephrase that, there are a few routeing bugs in the Scunthorpe area...
headshot119: That's quite a bold statement!
DSeaWall: South Humberside is broken. Don't worry about it.
BarryM: Stigheti, what tt are u running?
stighetl: Someone here? I'm getting a little bit frustated here. I'm currently working on South Humberside. Train 0E01-1 has the following order: "SCUNTHORPE S38 (REV)"
I sent it over to "transfer line", where signal S38 is located. First I tried to set the route from dwarf signal S343 to S43, but the driver quickly contacted me, informing me that I had set the wrong route. Then I tried to set it from signal S343 to S325, but that was also wrong.
I'm annoyed. What am I doing wrong?
Train 0E01-1 is supposed to pick up 6E01 standing at Trent Yard RCN, so I would assume going towards Transfer line would be the best option.
BarryM: Just realised that, try again
AndyG: Barry, can't join, you have a newer version
DaveHarries: That is what I am doing. All the sims are tied to that folder. Will check them.
Lardybiker: Dave, the default location is c:\Users\Public\Public Documents\Simsig. If you are installing them elsewhere, you will need to set up the Loader to look where you are putting them.
DaveHarries: I am putting it in c:\Users\Public\SimSig
Sacro: Are you installing to a normal folder or a virtual folder? If the latter then you'll need to tell SimSig to load from the virtual folder also/instead
headshot119: Dave did you sort out your sim directory away from that crazy custom installation you had?
DaveHarries: Not sure why sims keep disappearing from my loader list atm: just checked and am missing Brighton, Victoria Central, Victoria SE, Watford Junction and Wolverhampton from the list. Problem is that the only way to get them to reinstate is to reinstall them.
DaveHarries: Nothing posted by host but Paisley session is OPEN.
CTCThiago: Are u hosting marquel?
DaveHarries: And AndrewG has put a Paisley session for 2200
DaveHarries: I will be in for something.
marquel41494: anyone intrested in a sim ?
SEMCMILLAN: I can open one if people want?
SEMCMILLAN: anything yet?
tjfrancis: kings cross is cansalled
tjfrancis: only one panel is taken so far
tjfrancis: kings cross is pallsed into we have more singlers
tjfrancis: kings cross now open
tjfrancis: yes in 10 to 30 mints it wll be a free sim
SEMCMILLAN: any sims open
tjfrancis: nope too late now to start up one
madaboutrains: game of trent or saltley?
tjfrancis: i can set some think up free whare lts or any midlands sim but it only into 23:00 uk time
mackeral1234: anyting this evening
tjfrancis: LTS is open and runing
tjfrancis: ok i wll set it up now then
: well they may be one but if it in the areas that can not be simulated but if it not on that list then it may happen «link»
Temple Meads: I'd be up for LTS for an hour or so, perhaps
365ShaneEyoho: I wish there was a Simsig for Lincoln Area
tjfrancis: i stll up for the host is any one wants to join
tjfrancis: any one up for a host lts or any free sims
mackeral1234: anything this evening
edwardzzzz9: THanks for hosting
Trainmad091: sent you a PM
edwardzzzz9: Is it still open?
Trainmad091: do you still have the IP and Port for it?
Trainmad091: Anyone up for Derby + Saltley chain private with me and callum?
peterb: don't have LTS sorry
peterb: possibly would depend on the sim
arabianights: anyone fancy an lts game in around 15 minuts?
Steamer: Some TTs include engineering trains, e.g. the 80s TT for Salisbury. Alternatively, you can add the train to an existing timetable using the TT editor.
Jamesh1492: Random question is the hobc planned in any of the sims to do work?
: bitdefender, is that like a gumshield
moonraker: Yes uninstalled and replaced with Bitefinder. Now all ok
Sacro: And if you're running Norton then that's a known issue
headshot119: If you're having trouble updating you'd be better posting in the forum proper, things get missed or lost in the shoutbox
dcp4486: For some reason I cannot update any Sims.
: There are some instructions here - about half way down the page : «link» basically you download from the download page (I assume you found that) and then copy/drag/whatever the file from the zip file into the folder as explained in the linked page.
carysfort: Can anyone point me to an idiots guide to down loading Timetables. I wish to download the 2015 Sailsbury timetable but can find no clear instructions
Noisynoel: Roadrunner, how do you know how big the size of the community that buy's simsig is??
Steamer: The same effect can be achieved by opening Notepad and setting the font to 'SimSig'
Steamer: It was a basic program that let you use the font files contained in the System Files to create mock-ups of areas.
mackeral1234: roadrunner - unoffical simsig layout designer??
Sacro: JC92: Pretty sure that one or more of the other devs would be interested in those!
Roadrunner: All we have at the moment, is the Unoffical SimSig Layout Designer-you can at least draw the revised layout, if nothing else.
Roadrunner: Yes, I am arguing for SimSig to return to free software, as it was in the recent past. Particularly, as the community of possible purchasers is so small.
jc92: I recently obtained signalling diagrams for Shepcote lane PSB which would allow a proper 1980s era layout for screen 6, but Kurt appears to be absent from simsig for a while now. shame
Roadrunner: Sheffied scrolly exe was produced before the loader was introduced. Presumably, a loader version of it needs to be created now.
arabianights: the argument you are making is essentially one for free software, but you are confusing it with one for making simsig free, those are two different things
jc92: just wish the Sim would get a suitable update!
Roadrunner: Sheffied 1984 is an excellent timetable. Very challenging and can be hosted anytime, as both sim and timetable are available to all comers, as far as I know.
arabianights: if simsig were regularly cracked it would not be hard to make a version that would not play multiplayer with other cracked simsigs
jc92: i miss Sheffield 84 hosts.. and trent...good times
Roadrunner: Arabian-I hope you wear your red hat at an appropriately jaunty angle.
Roadrunner: Before Edinburgh changed to payware, it was often hosted. Now, it isn't.
jc92: on a side note... I notice I missed a LTS host. dangnabbit!
arabianights: thing is, centos is massively more popular than red hat, but if you have a problem with the latter you will get better support
Roadrunner: My reaction would be to obtain a crack.
Roadrunner: Arabian is absolutely right. This isn't bad temper, just chat.
arabianights: motherwll multis happen occasionally
jadamson2704: I still have plenty of fun managing it on my Jack
jadamson2704: I'd love to see a Edinburgh or Motherwell multi, but I just accept that not enough people are around that also have it that want to multi.
: I dread to think what your reaction would be if geoff made ALL sims payware
Roadrunner: Free sims obviously get more play, single or multi. The timetable writers respond to this and write more timetables. Besides, the comments about falling into disuse were not made by me. See recent post on the subject. Other people who paid for sims were suggesting that they were bad value for money. They can't be used in multi-play because of low sales. (Presumably, you pay to be able to use them that way.)
: roadrunner likes a good argee-bargee, and some others of us like to watch
arabianights: I don't think anyone is actually worked up
jadamson2704: strewth, one tiny error and the site is in meltdown? I can't believe people are getting so worked up about a game.. Even the international, tens of millions-subscribed games fall over occasionally.
arabianights: in any case maximising profits is not the same thing as maximising gameplay. My suspicion, which may be completely incorrect, is that consumer simsig is essentially there as a demo for the real life consulting services and the aim in the paid for sims is to renumerate the semi-volunteers who make them
jc92: please cite your evidence they fall into disuse? based on more than multiplayer figures if possible, given that not everyone plays Multi
Roadrunner: SimSig is not Call of Duty. The sales are too small to support a business model. Paid for sims fall into disuse and no (or few) timetables are developed for them.
arabianights: DID YOU THINK OF THAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!
arabianights: yeah, but what if simsig was bread, and your new child was starving, and the only bread you could get was simsig
jc92: and should I ever be unable to afford it, I'll accept that and deal with it. having recently had a child I can't afford to go out every weekend anymore, but I don't go complaining to TGI fridays that they won't give me a free meal
jc92: yes I am saying those who pay count more, given that Simsig is now a business!
Roadrunner: Now you are saying that the only people who count are the ones who pay. One day, you may not be able to afford to pay. Think about that. What I was suggesting was that the previous loader could have been restored as that would have restored functionality to the most people and to the most sims, while a fix was being worked on. Not to the exclusion of the fix. Do pay attention.
DaveHarries: Dinner took longer than hoped so I wasn't in for LTS. Hope I might get as session tomorrow.
jc92: must say re: the previous discussion I would have been ticked off to have spend hard earned money on Upminster for Geoff to revert the loader and make it unplayable to please someone who isnt a customer....
Roadrunner: Moving with the times, I suppose.
arabianights: and why would you want to do that
Roadrunner: Was trying to be politically correct and non-sexist.
Roadrunner: Perhaps, but what fun!
arabianights: also lol @ "female types"
arabianights: that's every lynx ad ever, no?
Roadrunner: Remember the ad where all the female types swarm towards the guy wearing a certain deodorant?
arabianights: it's dead now anyway
arabianights: could be that, could just be my unique body odour
Roadrunner: New sims are very short lived. See recent posting.
arabianights: anyway 2 more minutes and LTS dies
arabianights: tbh it might have just been something I made up
arabianights: who was it who said pedantry is its own reward
arabianights: haha, I'll let them have their fun
Roadrunner: Unable to connect due to no purchase.
Roadrunner: Arabian: A SimSig Exocet missile is already heading in your direction for typing "now" in your hosting notice. When is/was now exactly? Bad lad.
arabianights: no connections made to LTS as of yet, I will wait around 7 minutes more
: LTS ready for connections: «link»
DaveHarries: I will join LTS for a while after dinner.
arabianights: anyhoo.. UNLESS someone else volunteers to host something shortly, I will get an LTS game up for around 8.10
Roadrunner: Peace, Man. Bring the boys home.
GeoffM: Done. Peace. Out.
Roadrunner: Yo Arabian. Work creation for lawyers? Don't they earn enough already (not that they earnt it in the traditional sense of the word).
: Geoff while you're here, something I've wondered for a while: «link»
Roadrunner: Thanks for the fix. No one was shouting. Just talking / disagreeing. Nothing wrong with that.
GeoffM: Loader 4.5.1 now available - click "check for updates" - main fix is multiplayer for free sims fixed (ie available again).
arabianights: gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!
Sacro: I think you're misunderstanding me. If you back up the loader before you upgrade it then you can use that backup to downgrade it. You seem to have this idea that everyone else is (or maybe should be) at your level, but that's not the case. I'll see about doing a Wiki page on backing up things, and using File History (that's inbuilt into Windows but disabled by default)
Roadrunner: The previous versions are NOT available (unless you take special measures that the majority of users were unaware of). Therefore, the claim that you made that the previous versions are available does NOT stand up.
Sacro: The previous versions of loaders are available to me in exactly the same way they are available to you, and everyone else, you can happily make your own backups as much as you like. If you're worried about issues with new loaders then feel free to not update them until a day or two after others have.
Roadrunner: Nothing royal about it-stick to the point (I could reply "I am alright, Jack", says Sacro). The previous versions of the loader are not available to the majority of users, due too the way the loader is now updated. This means that the majority of users cannot revert to the previous version that worked. I am arguing for the majority, not the minority (or those, such as Sacro, from the inner circle, with privileges).
Sacro: Royal 'we' I assume. I certainly can revert.
Roadrunner: We can't revert to previous versions. We don't have them.
Sacro: I'm considering those that have paid a sum of money and require the latest loader over those that haven't paid any money but could easily revert to a previous loader. I fail to see any real technical issues.
Roadrunner: Thanks, Geoff. I disagree with Sacro because he is only considering the technical issues and only considering a handful of users, instead of considering the majority of users and the many sims that became unuseable.
GeoffM: Just give me a couple of hours and mplay will be fixed in free sims.
Sacro: You may well disagree, but that's seemingly your way in life. I've not got the time to write decent forum posts right now but suffice to say it's just a matter of copying SimSigLoader.exe from the Program Files location and then pasting it elsewhere, possibly renaming it to include the version number. If you don't have the interim loaders then you might just have to right click and check Properties and see if Windows stored an older version, which it sometimes does.
Roadrunner: I disagree with Sacro as regards the monetary priority. Can you explain in a post how to how to obtain and maintain separate versions of the loader, as that is not common knowledge. I have the initial loader download from a long time ago, but none of the interim versions (as a separate file).
Sacro: There's no reason why you can't restore an older copy of the loader and run both, some of us have a variety of loader versions for testing different things
Sacro: People who have LTS pay for the privilege and should therefore get higher priority in terms of fixes and support.
Roadrunner: Thanks for those comments. Allowing the new sims while blocking existing sims is a major error. The update should have been withdrawn to allow time for the fix. The team's focus gave priority to the technical issue, rather than its impact on users. Gaining LTS was an advantage for a handful of people. Losing KX was a disadvantage to the majority. Good luck with the fix.
TimTamToe: and also that loader version 4.5 is required for LTS and Horsham to run...
headshot119: It also doesn't help when people spout out stuff that's blatantly wrong or untrue :')
: @NewBuildmini432 - see the following from the FAQ: «link»
JamesN: @Roadrunner - To be fair, Sacro didn't say that wasn't an option. However the work involved to fix the loader is, I understand it, just 1 or 2 lines of code then push out the update to the update server. (Both of which can only be done by Geoff). While theoretically releasing the old version would work, you'd have to change some lines of code to make the updater think it's a newer version (otherwise the updater wouldn't download it), then go back and do the original fix anyway. Plus you still need Geoff to (a) do the work and (b) publish the update. The Constraining factor isn't the issue itself, it's the unavailability of the people required to fix it.
Roadrunner: @Lordmwa Thanks for the info from the team (almost represents a 'leak' about inner workings). Sacro is not quite correct - the previous version could have been re-released as a temporary solution to restore functionality.
NewBuildmini432: How does Geoff creates simulations? I want to make my own.