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| 1st Train to reach a TC Failure 04/09/2022 at 13:45 #147837 | |
bugsy
1699 posts |
In the attached screenshot, the first train to reach the TC Failure will be on the Down line. As far as I can see, the nearest signal which I can control is at Carton Loops, somewhat in advance of the failure. Have I got to stop a train there and ask the driver to examine the line and subsequently at each signal before he gets to the failure? And would this be the case in reality? ...  Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| 1st Train to reach a TC Failure 04/09/2022 at 14:01 #147839 | |
jc92
3631 posts |
In reality, you could stop him at Carlton and advise him to examine the line from single X to signal Y and report back at signal Y, and he would travel down to signal X and then begin an exam. Theres no option at present in Simsig to do this so I spose technically you'd have to get him to examine to each signal and report back. I don't bother in cases like this and just run the train normally (my excuse is I'm lazy and its not the real thing, in which case I'd do it properly) "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| 1st Train to reach a TC Failure 04/09/2022 at 14:03 #147841 | |
Dionysusnu
575 posts |
Isn't this the same situation as https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/54169 or https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/53257 ?
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| 1st Train to reach a TC Failure 04/09/2022 at 14:59 #147844 | |
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bugsy
1699 posts |
Dionysusnu in post 147841 said:Isn't this the same situation as https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/54169 or https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/53257 ?Oh dear. I keep asking the same question and I think that this is the third time :/ Please accept my apologies. It's down to a poor memory. I promise not to aske it again, unless that I forget. Only joking :O Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| 1st Train to reach a TC Failure 07/09/2022 at 12:19 #147862 | |
Mikehax
31 posts |
bugsy in post 147837 said:In the attached screenshot, the first train to reach the TC Failure will be on the Down line. As far as I can see, the nearest signal which I can control is at Carton Loops, somewhat in advance of the failure.In reality, a train on the down line cannot examine the up line for a track circuit showing occupied when clear. Rule book TS1 Reg 20... 20.6.2 First train to pass on an adjacent line If the first train to pass on a line immediately next to the affected line before the affected line is examined, the driver of this train must be told: • what is happening • the locations between which the adjacent line is affected by the track circuit • to pass the affected portion of line at caution • to report as soon as possible if anything is wrong. So if nothing is seen to be wrong the driver does not have to report back. This facility is not currently available in Simsig. Log in to reply |
| 1st Train to reach a TC Failure 08/09/2022 at 12:37 #147884 | |
Soton_Speed
283 posts |
Mikehax in post 147862 said:Have never been able to find any mentions of the following in the Rule book so for failures on adjacent lines, how ready should the signaller be to throw a signal (eg. controlled vs. emergency vs. replacement) back in an approaching drivers face? How does current practice with GSMR compare with yesteryears?... Stories most welcome... In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply |
| 1st Train to reach a TC Failure 08/09/2022 at 12:43 #147886 | |
9pN1SEAp
1107 posts |
On a related note, would "immediately next to" also include the line if there is a "ten foot" for signal posts? Thanks Jamie Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| 1st Train to reach a TC Failure 10/09/2022 at 13:29 #147917 | |
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Mikehax
31 posts |
Quote:Have never been able to find any mentions of the following in the Rule book so for failures on adjacent lines, how ready should the signaller be to throw a signal (eg. controlled vs. emergency vs. replacement) back in an approaching drivers face?Interesting that, as you say, there is no specific mention in the rule book. What it does say though is: (Part of) TS1 Reg 20.6.1 Before the passage of the first train ....Unless you are sure that the line is not obstructed, you must arrange for the line to be examined... and 20.6.4 When it is known the affected line is not obstructed If it has been confirmed that the line is not obstructed, you must treat the track circuit as having failed. The latter would indicate that until the line is confirmed as not being obstructed, you should treat it as an obstruction of the line and therefore apply... TS2 Regulation 4 4.1 Stopping trains because of an emergency 4.1.1 Signal protection If you need to stop trains because of an obstruction or other emergency, you must place or keep at danger all signals necessary to protect the affected line. If necessary, you must arrange for train radio messages to be sent. If you cannot stop a train proceeding towards the obstruction or other emergency, you must carry out the instructions shown in regulation 5. (train or vehicles proceeding without authority) So on that basis yes you would put back in front of an approaching train or make an urgent GSM-r call. Last edited: 11/09/2022 at 13:12 by Mikehax Reason: Typo Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Gwasanaethau |