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| Derby FAQ 17/04/2023 at 17:32 #151194 | |
headshot119
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Derby Frequently Asked Questions Do you think you've found a bug? Or do you have a problem running the simulation, check through this thread first. Remember timetables are dealt with in the relevant timetable thread. Note - This thread is only for Derby Version 2.0 or greater. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 18/04/2023 at 14:28 #151246 | |
MrSuttonmann
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  Banner repeaters don't seem to be properly reflecting the state of the signal. Save attached. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. (Formerly known as manadude2) Last edited: 18/04/2023 at 14:28 by MrSuttonmann Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 18/04/2023 at 14:33 #151247 | |
jc92
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They're grey, which indicates they aren't repeated on the panel, only drawn for info. white ones have working indication.
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| Derby FAQ 18/04/2023 at 14:34 #151248 | |
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headshot119
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The banners are "fixed" and not indicated, they're drawn in the default state for the signal they apply to, off for an automatic, on for a controlled. I can't recall if it's noted in the manual, but if it's not I'll add it shortly. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: MrSuttonmann |
| Derby FAQ 19/04/2023 at 16:14 #151274 | |
9pN1SEAp
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Hi, Got an oddity in my Nov 2022 TT starting at midnight - see messages screen attached wrt the message about 5D83 being late :) Thanks Jamie  Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 19/04/2023 at 16:29 #151280 | |
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headshot119
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Sorry without a save game or a copy of the timetable there's not a lot I can do to investigate that. I'm assuming you're getting at the fact 5D83 has arrived 6 minutes late, but I'm not really sure.
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| Derby FAQ 19/04/2023 at 22:32 #151294 | |
Soton_Speed
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Minor issues from a welcome sim refresh. (Pre-2000 era applies) 1. The sim appears to behave in the opposite way to the note in the manual for Coalfields Farm stop board - permission to pass is requested. 2. Is Sim Msg 4 for the Wirksworth token (manual), no? 3. 970 GF has no Diagram associated with it and Sinfin No.3 GF appears to do the work in its place. 4. Would it be possible to have the following length data: - Branston Jn neck and the standage behind both sigs 137 and 102 - Mantle Lane DGL - Top Yard Neck, the Station Yard CS and Gas Tank Sdg The working auto call-on sigs on the Goods lines are a nice addition. TIA. In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 19/04/2023 at 22:54 #151297 | |
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headshot119
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Soton_Speed in post 151294 said:Minor issues from a welcome sim refresh. (Pre-2000 era applies)I've adjusted the manual to reflect the correct operation. Soton_Speed in post 151294 said: Manual copy and paste error corrected :) Soton_Speed in post 151294 said: It's a little complicated as the simulation like real life only has one release for three separate ground frames, and the main release has no levers associated with it. You mentioning diagram has given me an idea I'd not thought about when implementing it, so I've logged Mantis 38506. Soton_Speed in post 151294 said: All added into the manual "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Soton_Speed, flabberdacks |
| Derby FAQ 20/04/2023 at 09:21 #151301 | |
Phil-jmw
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Soton_Speed in post 151294 said:3. 970 GF has no Diagram associated with it and Sinfin No.3 GF appears to do the work in its place.To view the individual Sinfin ground frames, simply right-click on #1/2/3 in the sim to see the relevant frame and diagram. As stated above, the 970 button on the panel is just a release for all three frames. On a side note, out of curiosity I tried something and think I've discovered a sim bug. In real life, when 970 release was operated it released all three frames, but when a release lever was pulled on any of the three frames it locked the release levers on the other two frames, thus allowing use of only one frame at a time. In the sim it is possible to operate the release levers on all three frames simultaneously. Last edited: 20/04/2023 at 09:25 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 20/04/2023 at 11:44 #151305 | |
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headshot119
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The control table I was able to source for the 970 release doesn't indicate any locking between the individual frames, just that all three release levers need to be normal to take it back, so the simulation has been setup to reflect that. Whether that changed over the years I don't know, it's definitely not the original control table as it's revision 3. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 20/04/2023 at 14:30 #151308 | |
Banners88
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Trying to send 1M10 on its way but saying the points are locked. There is a points failure ahead of 6E44 but taking the reminder off doesn't make a difference. Noticed the points on the up goods are whited out, affected by 6E30. Is this correct? Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 20/04/2023 at 14:34 by Banners88 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 20/04/2023 at 14:49 #151312 | |
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headshot119
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729 points are a double ended set either side of the main lines to flank protect anything untoward happening, as 6E30 is sat over the track on the B end you won't be able to set the route for 1M10 till it is clear. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Banners88 |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 10:06 #151335 | |
ajax103
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Just want to check in case there's a reason for it but when you ring the station supervisor about a using a different platform other then the booked one for freight, the train in question doesn't seem to recognise the platform as a location. Eg, if you take as a example 6Z00 which is booked for a crew change on Platform 2 heading in the Birmingham direction than it's fine if Platform 2 is used however if you use Platform 3 for whatever reason than the train comes to a stop at the platform starter 443 and refuses to carry out the crew chance unless you set the route to 388 and the crew change happens over the pointwork at Derby London Road Junction which can't be realistic can it? No issues with passenger services but did have one train that did precisely the above so why would the train not carry out the crew change while at signal 443 as it does it with no issues with the booked platform especially as there may well be a reason for a freight to use a platform other than the booked one in this case, I had two trains wanting to use Platform 2 at the same time as one was on time and the other was early hence using alterative platform. Note 6Z00 is a completely fictional headcode. Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 10:35 #151338 | |
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Phil-jmw
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In real life, when train crews rang Derby PSB to report they were ready and waiting, or if the Centre Panel signalman rang the mess room on Platform 1 to enquire if a crew were there/advise a crew of their train's imminent arrival, the crew would be told where to go and meet the train (eg "436/449/458 in xx mins", "Platform 1/2/3/4/6 in xx mins"), so as far as Simsig is concerned, even though the telephone option states 'Derby Station Supervisor', for the purposes of freight train relief it could equally be thought of as 'Traincrew Mess Room Platform 1', or '4 Shed Mess Room' (happened less often but some crews occasionally wandered over from the station to use the canteen), so as was done in the past you (via the Derby Station Supervisor option) tell the relieving crew where you are going to send the train for its relief if you wish to divert it from its booked relieving location. Having this option is a nice new touch and does add a close representation of real-life practice regarding freight train relief arrangements at Derby back in the day.
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| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 11:04 #151339 | |
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ajax103
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Also can there be more help with how to use the ground frames in Derby eg Belper as the existing information in the manual is next to non existent please eg provide more information on how to operate the GF into the siding etc. I've tried setting the route into the siding but it either heads onto the Up Main in the wrong direction or heads onto the Down Main in the correct direction and unlike at Branston, you can't see if the point work into the siding has changed which makes the whole movement more difficult than it needs to be. If the pointwork was shown as moved in whatever direction the release was given as is the case with Branston than it would be so much better. Last edited: 21/04/2023 at 11:11 by ajax103 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 12:21 #151344 | |
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officer dibble
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ajax103 in post 151339 said:Also can there be more help with how to use the ground frames in Derby eg Belper as the existing information in the manual is next to non existent please eg provide more information on how to operate the GF into the siding etc.I second this request, I have currently reached an impasse with trying to get 6T31 into Nadins....... When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 12:41 #151345 | |
Hap
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Swadlincote in the UP: Release frame (No. 2), switch the FPL (5), change points (6), replace FPL (5), Change points (7), pull of shunt signal (9). Belper in the Up: Release frame (1), Change No 2 points (2), Pull off PLS (5). Train will then call for authority to proceed, allow such authourisation once happy the GF is set, then train will head into the Belper CE, then drop off.  
Post has attachments. Log in to view them. How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Last edited: 21/04/2023 at 13:35 by Hap Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: officer dibble, ajax103 |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 12:55 #151347 | |
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bill_gensheet
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Hap in post 151345 said:A wider point as it happens elsewhere, why are trains calling (who ?) for authorisation at a GF under local operation ? There is a signal (5 at Belper) which is either real or represents 'Dave the van/secondman with a green flag' As Derby panel you do not know much of what is going on, having given control over to the GF operator. As GF operator 'Dave the van', you do not have a phone to be called. Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 13:30 #151350 | |
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officer dibble
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Many thanks for that, I could of sworn I had tried that option.....clearly not!
When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 13:38 #151351 | |
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AndyG
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Trains from Tutbury report passing N Staffs Jn long before passing sig 299 protecting the junction, eg "08:14:38 2E67 passed North Staffordshire Jn on time" whilst at 53mph towards 299 at red before the junction.  Post has attachments. Log in to view them. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 14:19 #151352 | |
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headshot119
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ajax103 in post 151335 said:Just want to check in case there's a reason for it but when you ring the station supervisor about a using a different platform other then the booked one for freight, the train in question doesn't seem to recognise the platform as a location.Stopping positions at Derby have been an interesting challenge, and without blinding people with too much technical talk, the situation we have is the best compromise which will always work with the complicated timetable that Pascal has put together, ensuring room is left for joins and detaches if you alter a platform. If you choose to alter the platform the simulation will do its very best to get the rear end of the train into the platform, so any activities etc can then take place. As much as I usually encourage a pull off and stand back policy, in some cases you may just wish to hold the early runner closer to time and use the booked platform. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 14:23 #151353 | |
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headshot119
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AndyG in post 151351 said:Trains from Tutbury report passing N Staffs Jn long before passing sig 299 protecting the junction, egInteresting, it's been like that since original release. Mantis 38511 "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 14:38 #151354 | |
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Hap
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bill_gensheet in post 151347 said:Hap in post 151345 said:Mantis 38512, for improvements to Belper GF.A wider point as it happens elsewhere, why are trains calling (who ?) for authorisation at a GF under local operation ? How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 19:57 #151362 | |
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AndyG
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Coalfields Farm Stopboard appears not to have been ticked as a SB, shows as signal COALSTOP. . 
Post has attachments. Log in to view them. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 21/04/2023 at 19:57 by AndyG Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby FAQ 21/04/2023 at 21:10 #151364 | |
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Hap
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AndyG in post 151362 said:Coalfields Farm Stopboard appears not to have been ticked as a SB, shows as signal COALSTOP.Mantis 38509, already reported and ready for next release. How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply |