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| West Hampstead PSB 28/07/2010 at 16:17 #1515 | |
ajax103
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If West Hampstead PSB was done, I trust it would be possible to chain up with not only the North London Line at some point but also Trent PSB as well?
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| West Hampstead PSB 28/07/2010 at 16:17 #10286 | |
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ajax103
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If West Hampstead PSB was done, I trust it would be possible to chain up with not only the North London Line at some point but also Trent PSB as well?
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| West Hampstead PSB 28/07/2010 at 16:18 #10287 | |
andyb0607
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West Hampstead doesn't have links to Trent. Leicester is in between them.
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| West Hampstead PSB 28/07/2010 at 19:06 #10297 | |
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ajax103
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andyb0607 said:West Hampstead doesn't have links to Trent. Leicester is in between them.Sorry, I don't know that area too well, I only know the Midland Mainline/Thameslink from St Pancras to Bedford - It's bad enough trying to understand Trent! Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 28/07/2010 at 19:23 #10298 | |
Peter Bennet
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Also Victoria and Marston Vale don't forget. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 04/09/2010 at 21:47 #11289 | |
TL DRIVER
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Also cricklewood box and Dudding Hill. would be great to signal over a route i drive everyday.
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| West Hampstead PSB 04/09/2010 at 22:01 #11290 | |
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TL DRIVER
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Also forgot to add there is also now a connection to HS1 from the MML and i believe AF= Ashford box ?
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| West Hampstead PSB 05/09/2010 at 00:19 #11293 | |
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JamesN
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AF = Ashford HS1 AD = Ashford IECC WH Fringes to AF via the Maintenance Siding in the St Pancras International Throat. Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 05/09/2010 at 14:56 #11296 | |
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Tristan
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Is there a conflict of intrest with Tresim, as the St Pancras station area is now a WestCad I think.
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| West Hampstead PSB 05/09/2010 at 19:32 #11298 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Tristan said:Is there a conflict of intrest with Tresim, as the St Pancras station area is now a WestCad I think.Not according to areas that cannot be simulated, and I trust that list. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 06/09/2010 at 15:28 #11305 | |
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kbarber
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UKTrainMan said:Tristan said:Is there a conflict of intrest with Tresim, as the St Pancras station area is now a WestCad I think.Not according to areas that cannot be simulated, and I trust that list. Easy way round if there is: make it a "historic" sim with the original St Pancras layout (or even the Thameslink layout). (I can hardly believe WH is 30 years old now... i used to play with its predecessor!) Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 07/09/2010 at 12:25 #11311 | |
GeoffM
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Tristan said:Is there a conflict of intrest with Tresim, as the St Pancras station area is now a WestCad I think.The former, no; the latter, yes. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 30/03/2011 at 00:03 #14557 | |
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MrBitsy
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TL DRIVER said:Also cricklewood box and Dudding Hill. would be great to signal over a route i drive everyday Who do you work for? As a signaller at West Hampstead I have probably delayed you many times :-) TVSC Link 4 signaller - Temple Meads, Bath & Stoke Gifford Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 30/03/2011 at 00:11 #14558 | |
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MrBitsy
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TL DRIVER said:Also forgot to add there is also now a connection to HS1 from the MML and i believe AF= Ashford box There certainly is - I have been training on the Westcad for the last week. Here is a screenshot of the St.Pancras area. [img width=100px height=100px]http://gallery.me.com/mrbitsy#100082/IMG_1265[/img] The maintenance siding is bottom left. If I needed a train in there I would click on 'Maintenance siding advance request'. When Ashford give the slot, the 'AF504 slot release' should illuminate green, allowing me to signal into the siding from WH204 TVSC Link 4 signaller - Temple Meads, Bath & Stoke Gifford Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 30/03/2011 at 05:43 #14567 | |
BarryM
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Mr Bitsy, GeoffM is the boss. He works for the company that designed the Westcad screen. Consequently it is copy protected and cannot be use in Simsig. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 30/03/2011 at 07:35 #14571 | |
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GeoffM
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BarryM said:GeoffM is the boss. He works for the company that designed the Westcad screen.Um no, I used to work for Westinghouse 12 years ago but I work for TRE which provide simulations which include Westcad. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 05/04/2011 at 10:15 #14809 | |
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northpolebobby
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If anyone is interested, I have a schemeatic drawing of the original West Hampstead Panel as commissioned during the1979/81 re-signalling/electrification. I was a temp relief signalman and worked quite a few of the fringe boxes during the changeover, including being the signalman on duty at the closure of St Albans South.
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| West Hampstead PSB 06/04/2011 at 21:11 #14851 | |
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MrBitsy
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northpolebobby said:If anyone is interested, I have a schemeatic drawing of the original West Hampstead Panel as commissioned during the1979/81 re-signalling/electrification. I was a temp relief signalman and worked quite a few of the fringe boxes during the changeover, including being the signalman on duty at the closure of St Albans South.Wow, I guessed you would be amazed at the changes now. Panel 1 and St.Pancras moved to WestCad and Moorgate branch closed! Can your send it by email? I am currently doing diagrams of the whole area for training purposes. TVSC Link 4 signaller - Temple Meads, Bath & Stoke Gifford Log in to reply |
| West Hampstead PSB 07/04/2011 at 14:11 #14866 | |
58050
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Yes I'd be interested in that. I lent Geoff some time back all my signaling diagrams for the West Hampstead PSB commissioning dating between 1979 - 1981 also. I haven't been in West Hampstead PSB since I had a visit whilst on a traction trainee course in 1985 when I was based at St. Pancras on the footplate. I had the maps from Irchester South through to Cricklewood & the only one I had missing was the map covering St. Pancras - Dock Junction - Kentish Town. I also had the signalling diagram that was issued to traincrew covering Cricklewood Depot box.
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| West Hampstead PSB 07/04/2011 at 15:16 #14871 | |
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northpolebobby
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Unfortunatley, it is to bulky a document for me to scan in or even copy. Its folded to A4 size but opens out concertina style and fully open is about fifteen foot long! I believe it was issued for training purposes because as well as all the panel layout it shows all indicators, TD berths and individual switches as laid out on the actual panel. Without getting it out, if I remember rightly, it is approx 1:25 scale. However, if there is a way to copy, i will investigate and keep you informed. I obtained it as I was working as a relief and manned several of the fringe boxes to WHPSB during the transition in 1980/81.
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| West Hampstead PSB 07/04/2011 at 15:19 #14872 | |
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northpolebobby
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It is to big to scan or copy. I was contemplating giving it to the people who Run the St Albans South Preservation but I am sure someone somewhere would have the wherewithall to copy it. It's A4 height but concertina's out to more than fifteen feet!
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| West Hampstead PSB 07/04/2011 at 15:38 #14873 | |
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58050
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I know what you are on about as I've got dozens of signalling diagrams covering various areas all over the country, some given to me when I was A TCS & others when I worked in the Regional Control offices. The West Hampstead signalling diagrams I lent Geoff are all A4 size & concertina'd if my memory serves me correctly. It would be nice to hev the missing piece. When you say fringe boxes I have a very vivid memory of the boxes between Bedford - St. Pancras as I spent alot of time travelling on the line when the DMUs were running & later the Midland Electrics. I have been in Dudding Hill SB once to sign the register back in 1986 & I remember both Carlton Rd Jn & Engine Shed Jn which formed 2 sides of the triangle that went up to Junction Rd Junction SB. Happy days. Originating from Bedford I only ever went in Bedford Junction SB, never been in Bedford North Jn(which later went to Northampton) nor did I ever go in Bedford St. Johns SB either. I did take some photographs inside St. Albans South SB in 1985 before the steps to the box were demolished. The lever frame was in tact in the box, but all the paint was peeling off. Looked quite a sorry state. Hopefully these days it's looking better.
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| West Hampstead PSB 07/04/2011 at 16:33 #14875 | |
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northpolebobby
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I was a temp relief, moved into the area 1979 to cover vacancies until WHPSB became fully operational. Worked St Albans, Elstree, Hendon, Brent 2, Finchley road, Engine Shed Jc and Jc Road Jc. Also learnt Upper Holloway, Harpenden station and JC boxes but never actually worked a shift in them. Also performed duties in the new Cricklewood Depot Box until the regular signalmen came in once WHPSB opened fully. Westinghouse produced a brochure featuring the resignalling and I am the signal man photographed in Cricklewood Depot. The box was not fully operational at time and the only train on a twelve hour shift was the 'Landfill Express' out and back. I have attached a copy of the photo which also appeared in a publication called Electric News which was distributed to the travelling public during the modernisation to keep them informed. Also had an official visit from Sir Peter Parker, who was Chairman at the time when he visited several sites on the scheme.
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| West Hampstead PSB 07/04/2011 at 16:45 #14876 | |
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58050
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I remember Hendon box very well, it was situated between the Down Fast & the chord line off the Up Fast to Brent Up Goods. The building was quite a long box, I guess the frame was quite large in that box when there were probably more lines in that area. The same could be said for Elstree SB which was at the north end of the station on the Up Slow side, that box was also a long buildiing considering there were no sidings at Elstree. Brent No.1 & No.2 sat virtually opposite each other. The other 2 boxes I remember well were Watling Street SB & Finchley Road Jn SB as this one was near to the northern mouth of Belsize Tunnel & looked over the fast lines as it was then, as opposed to today where the slow lines now are. I met a freiend of mine last week at Crewe & he is a driver for Freightliner there, he was telling me that on one of the DVDs he has got in the box set of British Transport films a section on the commissioning of West Hampstead PSB.
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| West Hampstead PSB 07/04/2011 at 17:24 #14878 | |
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northpolebobby
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When I worked Hendon it included the Silkstream jc area, which I believe once had it's own box. Elstree had Outer and Inner Home protecting the crossover (U/S to U/F & D/F to D/S) Which was rarely used! All starter signals were in advance of the crossover and the distants were 2 aspect colour (amber/green) St Albans though, had semaphore distants on the down slow and fast lines positioned under Napsbury's Starters and was a hell of a pull! In the up direction, there were colour light distants. Colour light Intermediate Block signals on the down by St Albans and the up by Harpenden station allowed closer headway. St Albans was the only absolute block box I ever worked that used the train approaching (1-2-1) on the down lines. Only worked a couple of shifts at Finchley road and that was after they started doing the track alterations so Finchley road was only a block post. The turn out from the Fast to Goods and vice versa, no longer in use.
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