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Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 29/11/2011 at 10:51 #23992
jamieP
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Hi there has anyone else had problems running locos round in Lawley St Through sidings. I have to abandon the time table run it round re instate the timetable but it then wound couple just says on the train list that its train is in front.

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 30/11/2011 at 11:16 #24107
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Same here. 6E86 in the default timetable with exactly the same problem. Had to remove the train in the end.

I can't see where 0E86 is supposed to be routed to, so i did a main line shunt which produced a wrong route message.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 30/11/2011 at 11:37 #24109
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The way that works for me is routing the train on the down goods and halting it as signal 212. The loco detaches as per the TT with no intervention. I run the loco into the U&D Camphill Through Siding S458/467, and then to S214 on the Down and Up Goods via S477 on the Down Main. The loco then re-attaches the rest of the train as per the TT; once joined the train can be routed out via the U&D Goods or the Up Main.
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 30/11/2011 at 14:32 #24132
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Cheers Splodge, that worked a treat!
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 05/12/2011 at 16:43 #24481
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6E86 is giving me a minor headache with the detach - sim seems to think the loco is at the wrong end, so I get "Ready to depart but train 6E86 in front" message! Yet the DEF0E86 line in the TT looks right to me (unless I've missed something blindingly obvious). Routing it thereafter shouldn't be a problem.....
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 05/12/2011 at 17:26 #24485
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" said:
6E86 is giving me a minor headache with the detach - sim seems to think the loco is at the wrong end, so I get "Ready to depart but train 6E86 in front" message! Yet the DEF0E86 line in the TT looks right to me (unless I've missed something blindingly obvious). Routing it thereafter shouldn't be a problem.....
It sounds more like the loco is facing the wrong way. Unfortunatly I can't look into it at the mo as I have no somisg compatible computor available.

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 05/12/2011 at 18:01 #24486
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Has me a bit flummoxed to be honest - must be an error in the timetable somewhere that's making the sim think said service is being pushed/top 'n tailed from Daw Mill!
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 05/12/2011 at 19:21 #24493
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I suspect that the loco/train are in the wrong place. Have you routed it exactly as Splodge detailed in #3 in this thread? If so, which signal is the loco next to, and what direction does F2 say it is facing?
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 05/12/2011 at 23:30 #24526
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Looks like I was wrong routing it (onto the UDG line then the Lawley St Through siding) rather than the DG. Will roll it back to the previous save and try again with the suggested route! Thanks for the prompt replies.
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 06/12/2011 at 02:48 #24537
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Need to stop at sig.212 for an engine runaround. It works fine Noel.

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 06/12/2011 at 09:34 #24549
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Thanks for the advice as i was having problems with 6E86 too.
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 06/12/2011 at 10:46 #24553
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To quote the manual, on the wiki....

"Many freight trains run-round at Washwood Heath, between signals 212 & 479. The loco runs round via signal 467 (U&D Camp Hill Through Sdg and 214 Dn & Up Goods. Care will be needed to work the loco across the main lines without delaying through trains. Also need to watch out for another train arriving whilst in progress, the second may need holding on the Down Gds to avoid blocking the Down Main. The North panel will need advising on routing said trains."

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 13/12/2011 at 01:29 #25050
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Don't know if anyone's picked this one up yet, but 5M56 (ECS from New St to Tyseley depot) is timetabled to run from the up Bordesley lines to the DEP road in the depot, yet there's no obvious route that allows this! Only ways in are from either the down Snow Hill (shunt) or the Up & Down Goods. Timetable edit needed perhaps?
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 25/12/2011 at 01:45 #26137
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4Q11 needs to replace it's first stoping point "Kingsbury JN" with "Kingsbury Branch JN" otherwise it will not turn around.
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 03/01/2012 at 09:19 #26704
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The timetable description for the timetable says - 'Semi-fictional TT based on 15th October 2009. The booked passenger and freight trains are suplemented by fictional trip workings...'

I'm struggling to run this single handed and would like to lighten the load by editing the timetable to remove the fictional workings. Is there an easy way to indentify them? For instance the freights that run via New St to appear on the Up Derby might be some of them, unless of course freight does run via New St in the small hours.

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 08/01/2012 at 10:15 #26925
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In the real world all run-rounds are normally carried out in on the Down Goods between Washwood Heath No.1 and Duddeston Jcn. The challenge then -as in the simulation - is to weave the departing train between the numerous passenger services.

With regard to the poster about freights via Birmingham New St this happens very rarely. In the most cases, freight train crews do not possess route knowledge through New St as their duties do not in the main include passenger or charter work.

Last edited: 08/01/2012 at 10:21 by Mickster66
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 08/01/2012 at 22:12 #26937
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" said:
The timetable description for the timetable says - 'Semi-fictional TT based on 15th October 2009. The booked passenger and freight trains are suplemented by fictional trip workings...'

I'm struggling to run this single handed and would like to lighten the load by editing the timetable to remove the fictional workings. Is there an easy way to indentify them? For instance the freights that run via New St to appear on the Up Derby might be some of them, unless of course freight does run via New St in the small hours.

Andy L
All the trains in the timetable are booked to run. The semi-fictional is purley because some wise ass would tunr round and say train xxxx never actually ran on 15th Oct 09!

Noel

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 08/01/2012 at 22:43 #26940
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Noel, I wanted to have 4O63 cross a pass at Dorridge UPL (multiplayer) and found it too long (550 m). Would the length of this train be correct?

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 09/01/2012 at 07:54 #26961
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All the lenghts are correct to the nearest 50m. Not all trains will fit in all loops/passing points. Certainly in my neck of the world, very few of the channel tunnel freights fit into the loops at Paddock Wood. The rest of the loops were extended many years ago to accomodate them.
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 17/01/2012 at 07:19 #27516
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Two 1G30s appear on panel around 1425. Not sure how that's handled in the real world but certainly confused me for a few minutes.
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 17/01/2012 at 07:44 #27517
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" said:
Two 1G30s appear on panel around 1425. Not sure how that's handled in the real world but certainly confused me for a few minutes.
That is correct there are two 1G30's. The signallers don't really notice as they are always on different panels.

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 18/01/2012 at 20:16 #27724
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2c34 has an incorrect description. it reads 12:25 dorridge - stourbridge junction, but is actually going the other way!
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 25/01/2012 at 20:15 #28223
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Have been having a problem with the Lawley St Inland Customs shunter in the evening period - 0M93-S comes out just after 20:40 on a run round shunt move and gets sent into the through siding as per timetable. Shortly after (often just after I've phoned for the slot to send it back in and been granted it!) 4G85 is sent out by the shunter on a transfer move to the FLT. Net result is a Mexican stand off, as both want to occupy the same siding! Is it possible to edit the TT on the fly for the latter to send it onto the main line or Up goods (to avoid getting a wrong route error message) then shunt it back after the light engine goes? Or is it 'game over' and back to the previous save point? Any help would be most welcome!!
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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 25/01/2012 at 20:20 #28224
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You could run one of the trains on the Up Goods up to SY213 and reverse it back from SY464 to work around the clash.

Are either of the trains running late?

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Re: Saltley 15-10-2009 v3.3 25/01/2012 at 20:29 #28225
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Yep - 4G85-S should be sent out at 19.00 when I look at the master timetable, even though 4G85 itself doesn't arrive from the Walsall direction until 20.16! (which it did). I think a quick TT edit to 21.00 (for the shunt) is the answer to this one....
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