Page 1 of 1
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 11/07/2012 at 14:54 #33822 | |
Meep
35 posts |
Hi I am currently playing with the 1985 V3.21 timetable When following all the movements associated with trains 1V62 and 5C18, as soon as OC182 arrives at platform 4 to join, I end up with fouled points at signal 543. I have tried shunting forward (not allowed), and everything else I can think of with the same results. Now I am not sure whether this is something I'm doing wrong, or just an issue with the timetable. I am sure though that this somewhat untidy outcome would not be tolerated for real. Any help or advice as to how to avoid it would be much appreciated Last edited: 12/07/2012 at 13:35 by Meep Reason: made clear I am aware the problem could be me rather than the Sim or the timetable! Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 21/07/2012 at 00:35 #34188 | |
|
Meep
35 posts |
Well I eventually gave up on the previous TT and decided to give the modern era timetable a try. Same thing happened. Followed various movements as per the TT notably at Avonmouth with Loco run rounds and the points are fouled yet again. I have played other SIMs with Loco run rounds and train joins and never had this problem, so it seems like it's either this SIM or the timetables. Time to walk away from Bristol I think and try another SIM. Shame because I think it's an interesting track layout.
Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 21/07/2012 at 01:22 #34189 | |
postal
5195 posts |
Given the length of time that the Bristol sim and 1985 TT has been in circulation, it is unlikely that what you have found is either a new bug or an irreconcilable problem. Unfortunately and given the time scales, any answer was probably posted on the previous incarnation of the Forum which died some time ago. However, even if the answer is not immediately obvious it is still a little disrespectful to the developer and TT writer to make a bold statement like "it's either this SIM or the timetables" which does discount another option about incorrect or inadequate operator input.
“In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 21/07/2012 at 09:49 #34190 | |
|
Essexgirl
42 posts |
Meep, I have had similar problems in platform 3/4 at BTM. I have found that if you reverse the direction of the trains, and even the empty wagons/coaches without a loco, they will move along the platform a bit towards the relevant platform starter, having not played this sim for a while, i am not sure of the exact directions, but basically you want to change directions so that the 'train' in the platform moves along to the far end of the platform from which you are trying to attach. You may have to ove both platforms along, so that, for example, platform 4 train is well clear of pltform 3, allowing the platform 3 train to move up. I know this is a cheat as wagons/coaches without locos shouldnt be able to move, but it does stop the problem from locking you up with occupied track circuits where you dont want them. Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 21/07/2012 at 14:11 #34197 | |
|
Meep
35 posts |
Postal Well I meant no disrespect. However the fact that Essexboy has had the same problem would suggest it is not merely down to incorrect or inadequate operator input as you so delicately put it. I also pointed out that I have played similar scenarios in other SIMS without these problems. Given that the only solution Essexboy could find was to reverse the trains even with no locos attached (i.e. you have to resort to cheating), it would suggest there is indeed a problem either with the SIM or the timetable. (I hasten to add that my remark concerning your solution Essexboy was in no way meant to be a criticism). If anybody can come up with an alternative solution, I am all ears. This thread has been open several days though and no one other than Essexboy has offered anything. That to me suggests there isn't one. You will note from a previous thread I started concerning the Bristol West Depot that I am not totally intolerant of bugs. I am well aware that with any software they are a fact of life. In that case I had numerous responses along with several solutions suggested very quickly, all of which I could live with. The important point being that none of these resorted to cheating; again, no criticism meant Essexboy. Indeed, some suggestions I received in that thread concerning the Avonmouth bug with the hoppers led me to give the modern era another go. Unfortunately the points fouling issue appears to be a feature of this era too. One of the main attractions of SIMSIG for me is that it seems very realistic. Having to resort to cheating to overcome a bug is not very realistic. After all, you can't magic a train without a loco up a platform in real life. I dare say the manager of Avonmouth Docks wouldn't be very impressed either if he was told: 'I'm afraid there's a bug with the signalling software. Just route the coal trains through the Loco Release and into the departure platform. We'll just have to pretend the trains are full.' Mind you it might be worth it just to see the look on his face! For the reasons I have outlined above, I therefore stand by my previous statement, bold as it is. I most certainly don't mean any disrespect to the people who have given their time to produce the SIM or the timetables. If I have caused any offence to them with my comments, then I apologise as it is most certainly not my intention to do so. Last edited: 21/07/2012 at 14:15 by Meep Reason: Punctuation -Though I'm hopeless at it so don't expect perferction! Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 21/07/2012 at 15:13 #34201 | |
|
postal
5195 posts |
Maybe I could have been a little more careful with my choice of words as well so apologies if anyone thought I was out of order. If it is any consolation, I believe that most of the sim bugs picked up through the Forum over the course of time have been corrected for whenever a refresh of the sim is released. It is up to the individual TT writer whether you see a correction to their TT in due course. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 21/07/2012 at 18:15 #34208 | |
|
Josie
310 posts |
I also suspect that the established timetables for Bristol were written before the 'stopping position' feature was available - timetables can now include information on whereabouts on the platform the train should stop. This is obviously useful for joining locations, but the 1985 timetable probably predates it.
Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 21/07/2012 at 23:11 #34228 | |
|
Meep
35 posts |
Postal You were just voicing your opinion as I was, so no offence taken on my part. It would be a very dull world if people didn't say what they think. Regards Meep Log in to reply The following users said thank you: postal, AndyG |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 09/09/2012 at 00:52 #35504 | |
|
Meep
35 posts |
This is not a bump - Honest! Josie I did take you comments on board re the stopping positions and found the advice very useful when running other scenarios. I then decided to come back and have another go at this Sim to see if I could resolve the problems I was having with these two trains. Whilst I appear to have sorted the problem with train 5C18, another problem has reared its head. When I route loco 0V622 from Bristol TM East to platform 3 (from signal 568), it should join train 5V622. Instead of joining though it just fouls the points and the Train List just states for 0V622 that train 5V622 is in front and vice versa for the train. I tried shunting forward but it doesn't do anything. It just stays at 'train in front'. For info: I set train 1V62 to arrive at the near end of platform 4. I assume this was the correct position to effect the split creating 5V621 and 5V622 and allow space for all the workings relating to train 5C18? I ran the sim again leaving 1V62's position on the default and then again with the position set to far end exact to see if that made any difference. The results of these two tests were not pretty! Any advice from anyone as to how to sort this would be greatly appreciated. Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 09/09/2012 at 04:55 #35505 | |
|
cdoward
24 posts |
What I think you need to do is this: Set the stopping point on 1V62 to Near End Exact @23, so there is space for the locomotive to couple on to the train. This is how I have amended the timetable to get it to work for me.
Last edited: 09/09/2012 at 05:01 by cdoward Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 09/09/2012 at 08:37 #35510 | |
BarryM
2158 posts |
" said:This is not a bump - Honest!Meep, Here is my tested solution to your problem. 1. In Timetable List remove Rule for 0V622 then 2. Change 0V622 departure time from Pile Hill Depot (East) to 08:48. 3. When 5C18 enters do not clear sig.35 (CL). 4. When 0V622 has joined 5V622 request 5V622 in F2 Train List to shunt forward. 5. Signal 5C18 to P4. 6. When 0C18 enters, signal it to P4. Once 0C18 is in P4 and joining, all trains should be in the confines of the platforms. E&OE Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 09/09/2012 at 09:03 #35512 | |
|
postal
5195 posts |
[quote="Meep" post=35504Instead of joining though it just fouls the points and the Train List just states for 0V622 that train 5V622 is in front and vice versa for the train. I tried shunting forward but it doesn't do anything. It just stays at 'train in front'.[/quote] Because the loco is still lying foul of the points, the sim thinks it has not yet arrived at BTM. The joining point in the TT is BTM so the sim won't let the join take place. BarryM's solution frees up enough space for the loco to run in and clear the TC over the points. The sim then agrees that the loco has arrived and the join can take place. All part of the SimSig fun! “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 10/09/2012 at 12:04 #35539 | |
|
Meep
35 posts |
CDoward By Near End Exact @23 not quite sure what you mean by @23. Is that a signal number? If so I can't see it anywhere on the diagram. I tried routing 1V62 into platform 4 using Near End exact and it fouled the points at the entrance to platform 1. Barry M I have edited the timetable as per steps 1 & 2. Forgive me for being a bit thick but I'm not quite sure what you mean by clear sig 35. Does this mean I shouldn't use the CL for train 5C18? Postal is this a bug then? If so is it just associated with this Sim or Simsig as a whole? This is not a prelude to a whine about bugs by the way - I just want to make that clear! I'm just curious to know so that if I come across something similar further down the line, I'll know what I'm looking at and can get a handle on how to get around it. Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 10/09/2012 at 13:29 #35540 | |
|
TimTamToe
656 posts |
" said:CDoward By Near End Exact @23 not quite sure what you mean by @23. Is that a signal number? If so I can't see it anywhere on the diagram.It is not a signal, it is to do with where along the platform the train will stop and hence whether there is room for the join to occur. When in the timetable editor for the train in question, below the "Stopping Position" scroll boxes where you select the Near End Exact there is and "adjustment" box. Type in 23 here and once you click ok it will appear as NX@23. This will then enable to join to work in the platform as the train "should" no longer overhang the points (haven't used Bristol for a while so going on from what others have said) G Last edited: 10/09/2012 at 13:33 by TimTamToe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: cdoward |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 10/09/2012 at 15:47 #35543 | |
|
cdoward
24 posts |
" said:" said:CDoward By Near End Exact @23 not quite sure what you mean by @23. Is that a signal number? If so I can't see it anywhere on the diagram.It is not a signal, it is to do with where along the platform the train will stop and hence whether there is room for the join to occur. Sorry Meep, I should have been a bit clearer in what I wrote. I was aiming to illustrate what you would see in the position column for Bristol TM when editing the timetable for 1V62. TimTamToe has described it accurately in the post above. Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 10/09/2012 at 16:13 #35545 | |
|
Colourlight
117 posts |
I think CDoward may have hit the nail on the head so to speak. Changing the stopping position could well fix it. When attaching a locomotive for example in a siding, platform etc the train it is being attached to is instructed to stop at the near end plus the length of whatever is being attached 25 in the case of a locomotive for an example
Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 10/09/2012 at 18:12 #35549 | |
|
postal
5195 posts |
" said:Postal is this a bug then? If so is it just associated with this Sim or Simsig as a whole?Not a bug. SimSig working exactly as designed. If a loco has not arrived at BTM, then it can't join a train sitting at BTM. If the loco is still foul of the track circuit before BTM, the sim does not know that it has arrived even though it cannot proceed any further. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 10/09/2012 at 19:04 #35551 | |
|
BarryM
2158 posts |
" said:Signal 35 allows you to set the road from CL to P4. Run 5C18 down the CL to signal 35 and wait. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Train 5C18/5V622 Platforms 3 & 4 BTM 14/09/2012 at 09:27 #35618 | |
|
Meep
35 posts |
Well I tested CDoward and BarryM's suggestions and they both work. Many thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. It was all helpful and I am very grateful. Regards Meep Log in to reply The following user said thank you: cdoward |