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Covdata and Liverpool Street 10/10/2012 at 10:31 #36205
woodruff
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204 posts 		Can any one help with how to use the Covdata on Liverpool Street? I gather that you can convert the wtt timetable to a text file , but then how do you convert back? Or is this sim too old to use this tool on? I seem to have placed the covdata in every location that I can find but then seem to have an issue running it from the command promt page as well.

The error message from the command promt is the following;
" 'covdata' is not recognised as an internal or external command, operable program or hatch file. " ??

Trying to get this to work as reading through the covdata and having a go at using it should make it easier to write the 2012 timetable I am trying to do for this sim !
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 10/10/2012 at 10:58 #36206
Sacro
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1171 posts 		Unless you renamed it, it's called "convdata"
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 10/10/2012 at 11:32 #36208
Peter Bennet
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5360 posts 		I have in C:/windows

Best plan is to use the option within f4 of any recent Sim - does not need to be the Sim to which the timetable relates. I expect there is an instruction on the WIKI somewhere.

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Covdata and Liverpool Street 10/10/2012 at 15:45 #36217
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5190 posts 		" said:
I have in C:/windows

Best plan is to use the option within f4 of any recent Sim - does not need to be the Sim to which the timetable relates. I expect there is an instruction on the WIKI somewhere.

Peter
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 10/10/2012 at 21:46 #36230
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204 posts 		I understand now, so I do not have to try and access it via the timetable edit menu in the Liverpool Street sim, I can open any of the sims and access the wtt and the text file for the Liverpool Street sim via the edit menu for that sim.

Thank you for the help.
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 12/10/2012 at 22:59 #36404
woodruff
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204 posts 		I have had a go at using a test timetable and by using the Liverpool Lime Street exporter I was able to convert my timetable to a text and then back to a SimSig timetable. Problem is now when I try to run the timetable on the Liverpool Street sim, I just get an error message?

"Error loading C\Program Files (x86)\ SimSig\LivSt\Test 2012 v1.WTT"

Does any one understand where I might be going wrong?
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 12/10/2012 at 23:59 #36406
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6282 posts 		" said:
I have had a go at using a test timetable and by using the Liverpool Lime Street exporter I was able to convert my timetable to a text and then back to a SimSig timetable. Problem is now when I try to run the timetable on the Liverpool Street sim, I just get an error message?

"Error loading C\Program Files (x86)\ SimSig\LivSt\Test 2012 v1.WTT"

Does any one understand where I might be going wrong?
Rename it to test.txt temporarily and open it (or just open it from within in Notepad). There'll be a load of nonsense characters but check that there is a SIMSIGT2 (I think) within the first couple of characters. OTOH, if it looks like plain text then it wasn't converted!
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 10:27 #36415
woodruff
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204 posts 		I have just checked and the item you said was not there. So I have just redone by using the default timetable and after copy and pasting I have just tried it again but get the same message? The converter does give me a positive message that the file have been converted.
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 10:40 #36417
woodruff
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204 posts 		Below is the converted notepad file to SimSig file. { it was all in different char but when I pasted, it has referted to normal ].
SIMSIGT2LivSt*Liverpool Street test timetable 13.10.2012Tests timetable 13.10.2012 °OèË 315
315 4-CAR EMU KR317
317 4-CAR EMU dR2B02d `T HSUBK H315LONFLDSUØT      CAMHTHÈUŒU      BTHNLGR|V@V SLSL   LIVST¨W¨W1 SL    2D082B04d äW HSUBK H315LONFLDS˜X\X      CAMHTHLYY      BTHNLGR ZÄY SLSL   LIVST,[,[1 SL    2D082B06d h[ HSUBK H315LONFLDS\à[      CAMHTHÐ\”\      BTHNLGR„]H] SLSL   LIVST°^°^1 SL    2D082B08d ì^ HSUBK H315LONFLDS _d_      CAMHTHT``      BTHNLGRaÌ` SLSL   LIVST4b4b1 SL    2D082B10d pb HSUBK H315LONFLDS$cèb      CAMHTHØcœc      BTHNLGRŒdPd SLSL   LIVST¸e¸e1 SL    2D08
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 10:54 #36418
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204 posts 		Just some more info. I have just converted the default timetable to a notepad file and then converted back. I even tried saving the notepad file in the sim folder but still got the same error message.
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 13:34 #36435
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509 posts 		I have just done some tests myself with all of the possible options for convdata (using -i -c -k) and none of them seem to work for me either. I would say that the Liverpool Street sim may well be too old for convdata to work on it. I noticed that the version of convdata available on Clive's website was made in January 2012, whereas the default timetable for Liverpool Street has November 2000 in its date stamp. It could well be that the current version of convdata is incompatible with the Liverpool Street sim.
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 14:46 #36436
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989 posts 		Convdata will work on any WTT file regardless of sim or age of sim. Firstly have you downloaded convdata. Secondly is it in the same folder as the sim you are trying to run it from. Providing you have satisfied both of those criteria then it will work. Just make sure you put the .wtt file in the top box and .txt in the bottom box
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 15:15 #36437
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509 posts 		" said:
Convdata will work on any WTT file regardless of sim or age of sim. Firstly have you downloaded convdata. Secondly is it in the same folder as the sim you are trying to run it from. Providing you have satisfied both of those criteria then it will work. Just make sure you put the .wtt file in the top box and .txt in the bottom box
I am not sure what you mean by the top and bottom boxes, sorry.

(EDIT: I have just realised you were referring to the converter built into some simulations - I should have read the previous posts a little more closely. I apologise. In any event, the same results are obtained as with using the command prompt.)

I tried to replicate what I believe woodruff did by issuing the following commands at the prompt:
convdata.exe -C "Winter 1998-9 timetable (morning).WTT" test.txt
convdata.exe -c test.txt test.WTT
In both cases I get the confirmation that the "Conversion completed successfully." When I try to load the test.WTT timetable from within the simulator, I get the error that woodruff mentioned (in my case: "Error loading C:\Games\SimSig\LivSt\test.WTT").

As mentioned before, I get the same results when using the -i and/or -k options in the convdata command.
Last edited: 13/10/2012 at 15:25 by Gwasanaethau
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 16:24 #36444
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5360 posts 		email me the file
Peter.bennet@SimSig.co.uk

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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 16:24 #36445
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6282 posts 		Actually, I've got a feeling LivSt - being so old - might have used the original timetable format and would thus not be compatible with ConvData. I can't check right now but if you opened the original timetable supplied with the sim in Notepad, the SIMSIGT2 would be SIMSIGTT instead, I think.
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 17:07 #36449
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204 posts 		SIMSIGT2
Just tried again with a copy of the tt supplied with the sim and when I ckecked the "SIMSIGT2" is there,[ pasted above]. The files are being converted both ways but will still not run. I tried changing the files by using another sim, [ North London this time instead of Lime street as I thought as this is a beta version this may have been the issue] but no joy.
Not sure if the issue may be to do with the sim being 16 bit?

Thanks for the help any way, it looks like I am going to have to do it the old fashioned way, for this sim.
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 18:12 #36450
Peter Bennet
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5360 posts 		" said:
SIMSIGT2
Just tried again with a copy of the tt supplied with the sim and when I ckecked the "SIMSIGT2" is there,[ pasted above]. The files are being converted both ways but will still not run. I tried changing the files by using another sim, [ North London this time instead of Lime street as I thought as this is a beta version this may have been the issue] but no joy.
Not sure if the issue may be to do with the sim being 16 bit?

Thanks for the help any way, it looks like I am going to have to do it the old fashioned way, for this sim.
Just to ensure there is no confusion this query is about Liverpool St and not Liverpool Lime St?

Peter
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 18:31 #36451
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5360 posts 		Just tried a test of converting the supplied TT to text and back and it does indeed crash the Sim.

Peter
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 13/10/2012 at 19:58 #36463
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204 posts 		Yes it is London Liverpool Street that does not accept the tt, [ I was using Liverpool Lime Street to change the text to a sim file].

Just thought I would ask is there an old copy of the convdata that could be made available just for use on this sim?
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 14/10/2012 at 01:16 #36465
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2158 posts 		Here is a 2006 copy[attachment=666]convdata.zip[/attachment]
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 14/10/2012 at 15:00 #36485
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204 posts 		Just tried the downlaod and it seems to work, did get an error message about "flags" but I think If I have a better look it should work.
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Covdata and Liverpool Street 15/10/2012 at 10:24 #36497
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204 posts 		Thank you for the file BarryM but still got the same issue, aka , when you actually go to run the timetable it sends back an error message.

I will just have to use the built in timetable editor.
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