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2009 timetable 17/11/2012 at 22:33 #37600
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So far I've noticed that the train types and characteristics seem to be a little mixed up:
- in the timetable version starting at 0445, each train type is duplicated and appears eight times in a row
- none of the freight train types has "Use freight linespeeds" checked
- the 153, 156 and 158 train types don't have the SP speed class ticked
- Pendolinos are missing the HST (and possibly the EMU as well?) speed class

Interestingly enough, in the actual timetable things look slightly different:
- freight trains have the "Use freight linespeeds" box ticked, but are also incorrectly marked as DMU + SP
- Class 6 freights all have their acceleration set to "Medium (intercity)"
- NT DMUs are mostly correctly marked as DMU + SP, except for the Pacers, which should be DMU only, and, as far as I can see, 1/153 units, which are again missing the SP speed class
- Pendolinos are still missing the HST (+ EMU ??) speed class

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2009 timetable 17/11/2012 at 23:17 #37601
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Firstly, the duplicate train classes is not an issue, seconly the 'use freight linespeeds' only needs ticking for trains of class 1,2,3,5 or 9 that you want to run at freight linespeeds.
As for the SP classes, they are only set up if the dev sets up sections of line with differing speeds. IIRC Tom has not done that so therefore they are totally irrelevant. As for the Class 6 using Medium, that may well be a slight technical fobar on my part. It's an easy fix as you just change it in the train classes for each of the class 6 groups, eg 6D100, this will then change all associated trains.

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2009 timetable 18/11/2012 at 12:43 #37639
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Yes, most of them are probably just cosmetic issues, but I thought I should mention them just in case.
The duplication of train types in the 0445 timetable would be a slight issue if I wanted to change the acceleration values on those Class 6 freights, but I guess I have to live with that B) (or use the timetable starting at midnight).

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2009 timetable 18/11/2012 at 13:00 #37641
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On the steeper gradients it is necessary to set the acceleration rates for slow trains to a higher than prototypical value in order to maintain the running times in the TT. It may be a fubar, but without it the TT can degenerate into chaos due to Class 6 trains losing time hand over fist. On the 1979-1980 TT, Class 6 trains will lose 15 minutes between Carnforth and Penrith when set to the prototypical Very Low acceleration rate.

Presumably this hasn't become an issue in other sims because Carlisle is the first sim with long steep gradients like Grayrigg and Shap.

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2009 timetable 18/11/2012 at 16:50 #37660
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Yes, after doing a few experiments myself, and comparing the results with the timetabled running times, it seems like the Medium acceleration is indeed more appropriate for Class 6 trains.
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2009 timetable 20/11/2012 at 20:52 #37820
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So am I right in thinking that this means I ought to go through all Class 6 train that haven't entered my current game of Carlisle 2009TT and changing them to Medium acceleration, or what?
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2009 timetable 20/11/2012 at 21:44 #37828
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You can do what you like because you are running the sim.

In the longer term, you can decide if you want to compromise on the acceleration rates on the flat in order to get the trains up the hills to time and adjust them if you wish; it's your call.

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2009 timetable 20/11/2012 at 21:50 #37830
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Right, ta, I'm going to go ahead and do that - I'm sure I could always hold them back or loop them later to get them back to time if they end up running early on the flats.

I had a 'situation' earlier with a postal (heh...) catching up with a freight near Lambrigg on the Down and ended up looping the freight at Lambrigg just in-time to let the postal past and then the freight wanted to loop at Tebay anyway! Think it was 4S88, which seemed to me to also lose time somewhere between Carnforth North Jn and Oxenholme.

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2009 timetable 20/11/2012 at 21:52 #37832
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Grayrigg Bank. The whole issue of train dynamics and excessive time loss by slower trains on adverse gradients has been raised as a bug.
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2009 timetable 21/11/2012 at 12:28 #37890
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" said:
seconly the 'use freight linespeeds' only needs ticking for trains of class 1,2,3,5 or 9 that you want to run at freight linespeeds.
That's not so. Trains use freight line speeds if and only if that box is ticked. Otherwise they use passenger line speeds. (A sim can add enhanced or differential speeds for specific speed classes; those override this.) The train's class is *not* used in making this decision (it's used for some other decisions).

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2009 timetable 22/11/2012 at 00:03 #37946
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basic one - i have 2 4S66s - oa and 1a, i assume a rule is missing there
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2009 timetable 01/12/2012 at 23:17 #38394
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I've just started playing this TT, and had a train 4Q79-5 arrive from Lockerbie. This is routed into S2 at which point it does a Next train to a train with ID 'BERF', but there is no such train in the TT.

What's supposed to happen to it?

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2009 timetable 01/12/2012 at 23:54 #38395
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I've just started playing this TT, and had a train 4Q79-5 arrive from Lockerbie. This is routed into S2 at which point it does a Next train to a train with ID 'BERF', but there is no such train in the TT.

What's supposed to happen to it?
I haven't used the 2009 timetable yet. What time in the TT does 4Q79-5 enter?

I know in TT's I've wirtten I've used "BERTH" to simulate a train that's next service is after the end of the sim (timewise). So at a hunch "BERF" could be the same as my "BERTH" and that it stays in S2 for the duration of the remaining sim time.

Hope this helps and makes sense

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2009 timetable 02/12/2012 at 00:24 #38397
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" said:
I've just started playing this TT, and had a train 4Q79-5 arrive from Lockerbie. This is routed into S2 at which point it does a Next train to a train with ID 'BERF', but there is no such train in the TT.

What's supposed to happen to it?
BERF is a 4-letter abbreviation of "BERTH". There is no further working for the incoming train in the TT. If my memory is working correctly, the same convention has been used in a number of the 2009 TTs which have appeared previously for other sims.

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2009 timetable 06/01/2013 at 20:42 #40290
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In the 0445 version of this timetable, 6M11 and 6E73-0 have identical timing points in and around Carlisle, but they both appear in the sim together. Is this one of those situations where the signaller needs to work out what to do to minimise delays, or is there a rule missing in the timetable?

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2009 timetable 06/01/2013 at 21:45 #40295
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As mentioned elsewhere on the forum there is a rule missing
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2009 timetable 06/01/2013 at 22:05 #40296
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As mentioned elsewhere on the forum there is a rule missing

Thanks for replying. My apologies. I performed a search of both the forum and the wiki before posting but it did not yield any relevant results.

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2009 timetable 10/03/2013 at 23:19 #42255
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Not sure if mentioned elsewhere - I am busy signalling the 18 trains currently in the sim - but 4S61 ("09:19 Trafford Park Euro Term - Mossend Down Yard (DBS Cl92+4 OTA, 69m)"which enters from Carnforth at 13:36 is, as you can probably see, described as being 69m long. However, if you look at either F2 Train List or the Train Characteristics tab it is only 50m!

On a side note, what is the setup meant to be in relation to the described length (in a train's Description) vs. the 'listed length' (on Train Characteristics tab)? Just that, take for example the following train, 4S42-1 ("10:12 Drax Aes - Hunterston High Level (FLHH Cl66+19 HHA, 398m)"), it is 'listed' as being 400m. Just seems a little odd to me(?).

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2009 timetable 11/03/2013 at 08:00 #42260
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The actual train length is rounded up/down to the nearest 50m otherwise there would be way to many train categories making it very awkward to manage. So for example anything from 375m to 424m is set to 400m.
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2009 timetable 11/03/2013 at 09:19 #42261
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You pays your money and you takes your choice. Pascal's TTs are measured down to the metre and there are pages of train types to wade through.

How does the rounding system work where trains do things like dropping 1 x BG at just over 17m.?

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2009 timetable 11/03/2013 at 20:42 #42279
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6J37 ("12:51 Carlisle Yard Amec - Chirk Kronospan (COLAS Cl66+21 KFA, 444m)"), which is due to enter from Kingmore Departure Line at 12:51, needs it's timetable editing - change the Oxenholme Lake District location to Oxenholme UGL, otherwise you may have to handle a phone call from an annoyed driver at the helm of 1M14!
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