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Tea towels 29/11/2012 at 18:37 #38306
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Why is it that in almost every picture I've seen of an old-fashioned lever-frame box, there's at least one lever that always has a tea towel draped over it?

An a related note, is there anywhere I can try out an AB lever-frame box for myself? Been having a go on the PC-Rail :whistle: Heritage Series sims (demos only, I promise!) and they've given me a bit of a bug for trying AB...

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Tea towels 29/11/2012 at 18:42 #38308
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Why is it that in almost every picture I've seen of an old-fashioned lever-frame box, there's at least one lever that always has a tea towel draped over it?

An a related note, is there anywhere I can try out an AB lever-frame box for myself? Been having a go on the PC-Rail :whistle: Heritage Series sims (demos only, I promise!) and they've given me a bit of a bug for trying AB...
tis a lever duster. tea towels do get used, but a lever duster is a purpose made piece of kit.

theres a number of reasons:

1) to protect your fingers from getting trapped in the catch handle (trust me, it hurts! )
2) to keep the levers clean of hand residue/sweat, etc which can cause damage or fading in the long term,
3) to protect hands from any dirt on said lever (works both ways)

theres probably more reasons aswell.

Exeter west and St Albans South both offer demonstrations of hands on signalling, as does york NRM on selected days of the year on NRM central simulator.

Joe

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Tea towels 29/11/2012 at 18:55 #38310
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1) to protect your fingers from getting trapped in the catch handle (trust me, it hurts! )

Not sure how much help a duster would do, unless you use some really thick ones? I guess it stops it from pinching quite so much, though.

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2) to keep the levers clean of hand residue/sweat, etc which can cause damage or fading in the long term

"Long term"? I've left levers clean one day, had an evening turn man work the frame for a few hours, and come back in the morning to find some nice rusty finger marks appearing! I should start calling in a police forensic team to identify fingermarks every time I find some...

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3) to protect hands from any dirt on said lever (works both ways)

Not that there should ever be any, if you use your duster and order all those muck-covered enginemen to go no further than the doormat ;)

Also keeps brasswork nice and shiny if people ever bother to use their duster when plunging on things - but quite a few people seem to find the easy task of plunging and pulling simultaneously, using the duster for both, an impossible task. Oh well...

There's also the fact that you can always identify which chap is doing the signalling by the duster somewhere on his person.

Exeter West may be open until the first weekend in January, as the heritage centre has (apparently!) decided that they don't want to close. There'll probably be a training session going on most Saturdays, I'm not sure how well covered we are for Sundays though. The EWG also have a computer simulator of the box for sale (and more in the works) - there was a topic on this forum but it has since disappeared...

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Tea towels 29/11/2012 at 19:03 #38311
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Kidderminster Railway Museum offer occasional Signalling Weekends in conjunction with the Severn Valley Railway.

While there are only two boxes working Absolute Block - Bewdley South & Bewdley North - the lever frames in the single line boxes are just the same.

http://www.krm.org.uk/

If you want to see some pictures of the boxes you can find a few here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/llangollen_signalman/sets/72157626872682611/

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Tea towels 29/11/2012 at 19:23 #38316
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1) to protect your fingers from getting trapped in the catch handle (trust me, it hurts! )

Not sure how much help a duster would do, unless you use some really thick ones? I guess it stops it from pinching quite so much, though.
indeed, the catch handle pinched my finger, but then wouldn't let go until i reversed the lever, ive never made that mistake again!

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Tea towels 29/11/2012 at 20:30 #38324
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Kidderminster Railway Museum offer occasional Signalling Weekends in conjunction with the Severn Valley Railway.
Though if you're going to get that practical, you may as well join a preserved railway so you get a chance to signal something which does actually go choo choo - or honk honk! (Provided you have the time, of course)

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Indeed, the catch handle pinched my finger, but then wouldn't let go until i reversed the lever, ive never made that mistake again!
I hear the other fun one is getting your duster/shirt/trousers caught on the cotter pins (the pointy things at the sides of the catch handle pivot, holding it in place) during a particularly energetic pull - luckily not managed it myself yet!

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Tea towels 29/11/2012 at 20:53 #38326
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Kidderminster Railway Museum offer occasional Signalling Weekends in conjunction with the Severn Valley Railway.
Though if you're going to get that practical, you may as well join a preserved railway so you get a chance to signal something which does actually go choo choo - or honk honk! (Provided you have the time, of course)

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Indeed, the catch handle pinched my finger, but then wouldn't let go until i reversed the lever, ive never made that mistake again!
I hear the other fun one is getting your duster/shirt/trousers caught on the cotter pins (the pointy things at the sides of the catch handle pivot, holding it in place) during a particularly energetic pull - luckily not managed it myself yet!
Doesn't stop you giving a lever a rather vigorous pull and then finding your boot is trapped between it and the adjacent lever

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Tea towels 29/11/2012 at 21:38 #38330
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Or the old favourite of the lever stopping, or something breaking when halfway across, resulting in a dazed signalman on the desk/chair/stove. That's a fun moment - "I could have sworn I was just standing up..."
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Tea towels 30/11/2012 at 04:03 #38334
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I've left levers clean one day, had an evening turn man work the frame for a few hours, and come back in the morning to find some nice rusty finger marks appearing!
I believe the main reason is as stated by Danny 252 above.

I know that I've gone to operate a frame without said duster before now and the signalman has politely asked if I plan on cleaning all of his lever handles after I've finished and advising me that it's just taken him 2 hours of cleaning! Hint was taken, duster was used and whenever I've needed to operate a lever since I'll always use the duster assuming one is clearly visible on the frame.

Another one is not treading on lever frames. Lever frames are oiled, oil gets on the signal box floor!

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Tea towels 30/11/2012 at 09:23 #38335
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Or the old favourite of the lever stopping, or something breaking when halfway across, resulting in a dazed signalman on the desk/chair/stove. That's a fun moment - "I could have sworn I was just standing up..."
Landing on the LIT stove really hurts!

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Tea towels 30/11/2012 at 09:42 #38336
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"... a towel has immense psychological value. …….. any man who …….. knows where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with."
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Tea towels 30/11/2012 at 10:40 #38337
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Or the old favourite of the lever stopping, or something breaking when halfway across, resulting in a dazed signalman on the desk/chair/stove. That's a fun moment - "I could have sworn I was just standing up..."
Landing on the LIT stove really hurts!
Yes, kinda adds a whole new dimension to the phrase "a pain in the ar%£"

But seriously, would not a tea towel help to mitigate the icy feel of the lever handles on one's hands in weather such as we're getting now? For those with dry skin (like mine) I reckon it would ease the skin cracking problem (which is also painful) as well.

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Tea towels 30/11/2012 at 12:00 #38338
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Definitely for keeping the levers clean - who'd ever bother about keeping the bobby's hands clean? (That's what soap & water's for ) Likewise no-one would ever have considered the poor man's delicate hands in this weather (and remember there were external frames at some block posts, not to mention the Highland Railway boxes-that-were-glorified-groundframes, which must've got really cold at times).

@Wain77: where in the country are you? That would be the first step in choosing a preserved box to go & look at. As well as Crewe (for Exeter) and St Albans, there's Romsey (apparently open Sunday 10:00 - 16:00 but this weekend is the last of the year) and Settle Station is also preserved, according to the website http://www.settle-carlisle.co.uk/stations/settle/welfare.cfm?c_Stn=001 open every Saturday. If St Albans is your choice, give me a knock as I sometimes do a turn there.

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Tea towels 30/11/2012 at 18:48 #38352
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"... a towel has immense psychological value. …….. any man who …….. knows where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with."
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This is what I was thinking of before I even opened the thread.

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Tea towels 30/11/2012 at 22:37 #38365
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@kbarber: I'm in South East London (for my sins). Romsey sounds like it might be quite interesting and St Albans is definitely a consideration, but the main problem is convincing my wife (who is a railway widow) to either look after three children under the age of 3 for the day while I go off on a jolly (I'm sure you can imagine how well any kind of suggestion like that goes down!). Or try and persuade her she wants to come with me and do something else in the area in the meantime again with the three children. And again, that doesn't really tend to go down very well.

I might have to resign myself to waiting a few years until the children are old enough to either be interested enough to come with me, or able to look after themselves! :unsure:

Added: I'm thinking of Romney, not Romsey... where's Romsey, and what kind of place is it?

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Tea towels 01/12/2012 at 09:16 #38370
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Or the old favourite of the lever stopping, or something breaking when halfway across, resulting in a dazed signalman on the desk/chair/stove. That's a fun moment - "I could have sworn I was just standing up..."
That happened to a colleague of mine in Abergavenny box (I was working Little Mill Jn at the time). It was an 800-yard pull so it needed a bit of beef to get the board off. "Unfortunately" the wire broke...

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Tea towels 01/12/2012 at 10:35 #38373
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IIRC, Romsey is Southampton/Eastleigh way. When I last visited (1978) it was a quite a "villagey" sort of place, quite rural & pictureskew. Not sure if it's been built up now tho'

Romsley OTOH is not far from Halesowen in the West Midlands & not far from the old Hunnington station which was on the long-gone Longbridge-Old Hill line.

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Tea towels 01/12/2012 at 11:32 #38374
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Romsey, Romney, Romsley? A guy could get confused!

When I asked what kind of place Romsey is, I meant from a signalling point of view! Had a look ont' t'intertubes and it looks like good fun. Unfortunately, Sunday's are off limits to me for religious reasons...

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Tea towels 01/12/2012 at 11:37 #38375
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Romsey is quite a small market town, quite good if you want estate agents, charity shops or hairdressers. The signalbox is about 10 minutes walk from the high street. It has an Abbey that escaped King Henry VIII that you can get tours around and you can visit Sadler's Mill and King John's House. The signalbox has a few associated signals and points but most of it has to be in your imagination. Good fun anyhow! 158s of First Great Western and South West Trains (and the occasional Mendip stone train to/from Eastleigh) pass 'above' the box frequently though.
However, West Quay shopping centre in Southampton is good, about 15 minutes away by clean, efficient, empty and frequent trains. Southampton isn't quite as charming as Romsey but it has very good shopping.
The actual signalbox is very interesting, the guys in there are great and it is good fun. The last time I went, I was about 11, but I guess it would be a bit more fun now I now what I'm talking about more. I probably should go, I pass it everyday but it always slips my mind

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Tea towels 01/12/2012 at 13:40 #38377
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Yep, that's the Romsey, with a heavy-going ring of 8 bells in the Abbey too (I believe they're fundraising to get Taylors to rehang them), so there's more than one attraction there.

The box is simulated as it was just before closure, with a single line worked by TCB with release lever to Eastleigh and AB on the other lines. It's a typical old LSWR box with a Stevens frame that's been extended so much they ended up having to build a crude extension at the staircase end, and with Southern Railway bells & instruments and BR(S) illuminated diagram. Very cramped little place, but absolutely fascinating.

@wain77: PM for you

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Tea towels 02/12/2012 at 12:30 #38408
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Yep, that's the Romsey, with a heavy-going ring of 8 bells in the Abbey too (I believe they're fundraising to get Taylors to rehang them)
They have been rehung

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Tea towels 02/12/2012 at 19:09 #38414
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Or try and persuade her she wants to come with me and do something else in the area in the meantime again with the three children
Southampton has most things. Large shopping centre, ikea, leisure park.

I'm sure the wife and kids would be happy, it's you that may wince at the cost of the trip :)

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Tea towels 03/12/2012 at 14:30 #38532
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Yep, that's the Romsey, with a heavy-going ring of 8 bells in the Abbey too (I believe they're fundraising to get Taylors to rehang them)
They have been rehung
Ah! So the "ding-dongs" have been (re)hung merrily on high then!

Well it is nearly Xmas!

Sorry, I'll pick up my coat on the way out!

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