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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 17:38 #42167
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A 2013 timetable for the North East Scotland simulation. Passenger times were taken from Open Train Times, freight trains from the WTT published by Network Rail.

Scot Rail
The dominant operator in this TT, Scot Rail provides an hourly service between Edinburgh/Glasgow and Aberdeen, as well as less frequent services to Inverness, both from Aberdeen and via Dunkeld. A large amount of stock stables overnight at Perth. Scot Rail also operate the daily sleeper services, two portions of which pass through this area- the Inverness portion via Perth and the Aberdeen portion via Cupar. Note that there are rules in place to prevent trains which terminate at Dyce and Inverurie re-entering too soon in the event of late running.

East Coast
East Coast operate a handful of trains per day between Aberdeen and London, and one train a day via Perth to Inverness. A route refresher loco operated by this TOC may also make an appearance.

Cross Country
Cross Country operate one train a day to/from Aberdeen, and another to/from Dundee. These trains depart to the south in the morning, arriving back in the evening. There are also associated movements to/from Craigentinny CS.

Freight
At the start of the session, a light engine will enter at Cupar, which decides which day's freight traffic will run. Some days have more, some days less, and some trains will only run as required. Tay Bridge Fuel siding (AKA Linkswood) is only served on a Wednesday. Note that at the time of release there is a bug with the GF. Trains can enter the siding as ususal, however the points must be reversed via F11 for departing trains.

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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 17:55 #42168
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" said:
East Coast operate a handful of trains per day between Aberdeen and London, and one train a day via Perth to Aberdeen.
via Perth to Inverness and return?

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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 18:11 #42169
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Hurry up moderator!
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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 18:13 #42170
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I might use this in my NE Scotland session over the weekend. If the mods make it available of course
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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 18:36 #42172
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Approved & available to download.
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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 18:38 #42173
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Anyone fancy a multiplay of this tonight?
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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 18:41 #42176
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Thanks Andy.

Yes Kev I do.

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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 19:32 #42182
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Couple of issues at the top of the tt (Friday version):

5E15 seeds at A32 but isn't booked off off the depot till 0910.
1E11 seeds in p5 and calls in for a red signal, but isn't booked to leave till 0752.


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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 22:46 #42191
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Couple of issues at the top of the tt (Friday version):

5E15 seeds at A32 but isn't booked off off the depot till 0910.
1E11 seeds in p5 and calls in for a red signal, but isn't booked to leave till 0752.


Kev
It seems to be a problem with all seed trains- they jump to the second location in the TT. To fix, set the 'current location' back via F2.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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NEScot 2013 TT 08/03/2013 at 23:02 #42194
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Couple of issues at the top of the tt (Friday version):

5E15 seeds at A32 but isn't booked off off the depot till 0910.
1E11 seeds in p5 and calls in for a red signal, but isn't booked to leave till 0752.


Kev
It seems to be a problem with all seed trains- they jump to the second location in the TT. To fix, set the 'current location' back via F2.
Generally seed trains will require the (key) location before their seed point (as the first entry in the location list.

As a consequence of this, in the case of ECS into a platform, it's probably easier in the long run to seed an dummy move into the platform with a net working, this should also make it sit quietly until its due depart time without being on the 'phone every 15 mins.

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NEScot 2013 TT 09/03/2013 at 00:17 #42197
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As a consequence of this, in the case of ECS into a platform, it's probably easier in the long run to seed an dummy move into the platform with a net working, this should also make it sit quietly until its due depart time without being on the 'phone every 15 mins.
Unless core code has changed in regard to this since the McSims were re-released that is not necessary. All it needs is an additional location adding to the TT for the last inward location a train would pass on its way into the platform. For example in the Edinburgh sim, if you want a train to seed into one of the West End platforms and wait for time, you set the seed location as whatever platform but in the location list in the TT put a first entry in as Mound with a time of 00:00 before the TT for the onward working. The train then shows in F2 for a brief period on sim opening as moving towards the buffer stops, after which it picks up the outward TT and shows as standing at the Waverley waiting for departure. You then get the normal TRTS or waiting at red messages at due time. You can see how it works in the 2006 TTs for the re-released McSims.

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NEScot 2013 TT 09/03/2013 at 06:57 #42200
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Couple of issues at the top of the tt (Friday version):

5E15 seeds at A32 but isn't booked off off the depot till 0910.
1E11 seeds in p5 and calls in for a red signal, but isn't booked to leave till 0752.


Kev
It seems to be a problem with all seed trains- they jump to the second location in the TT. To fix, set the 'current location' back via F2.
Generally seed trains will require the (key) location before their seed point (as the first entry in the location list.

As a consequence of this, in the case of ECS into a platform, it's probably easier in the long run to seed an dummy move into the platform with a net working, this should also make it sit quietly until its due depart time without being on the 'phone every 15 mins.
The one in the patform was easy to sort: reverse and reverse again so it "arrives" in the platform. It's your man in the siding that's on the phone every 15 mins (and there isn't a "wait till booked time" option when he calls in!).

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NEScot 2013 TT 09/03/2013 at 10:00 #42201
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It's your man in the siding that's on the phone every 15 mins (and there isn't a "wait till booked time" option when he calls in!).
You do exactly the same with him as you do with one in a platform - you set a location of Ferryhill Up/Dn as the first line in the TT with a passing time of 00:00. The train then shows briefly in F2 as moving in a Down direction then stopped at Aberdeen Clayhills HST rather than stopped behind a red signal and he doesn't ring in until you have held him past due time. Class 5's (and Classes 1 and 2) wait for due time; if you try the same fudge with a train of a different Class you might get a phone call, but you also get the option of waiting until due time before ringing back.

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NEScot 2013 TT 10/03/2013 at 17:31 #42240
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V1.2 has been uploaded, subject to moderator approval.

This version corrects the issues raised above with seed trains, and includes the 0445 start that was accidentally omitted from the original release.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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NEScot 2013 TT 10/03/2013 at 19:10 #42248
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04:45 start TT set to start at 00:00 so needs to be manually started at 04:45 (or speeded up.)
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NEScot 2013 TT 10/03/2013 at 19:42 #42249
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I have updated the NEScot Manual on the Wiki.
"No question is too stupid, there are just some stupid answers" - Dr. Michael Reece, 12/08/1927 - 03/06/2019. Electrical engineer and inventor
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NEScot 2013 TT 12/03/2013 at 15:25 #42291
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All,

Thanks for the timetable. I have one query, though. I seem to have ended up with almost all the '0ZXX' trains entering on the same day.

I was under the impression only one was meant to run on any one occasion.

Thanks again

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NEScot 2013 TT 12/03/2013 at 16:03 #42292
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Long shot, but are all the rules present and correct?

(quick way - F4 edit TT, click on rules tab, see if rules are present, in particular the 10 rules for the 0Z0x trains)

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NEScot 2013 TT 12/03/2013 at 16:21 #42293
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Just a thought, but how are you loading the TT? Are you selecting the TT while going through the start-up screen while opening the sim (or from File - New Simulation) or are you not picking a TT at that stage and then going to Timetable - Open (merge with current)? If you use the second route and the sim clock has clicked past 00:00:30 before the TT opens, then you don't see any of the seed trains which should enter when the sim opens and the rules for the 0Z0X trains get screwed up as well.

Alternatively, have you changed the start time from 00:00 (or 04:45) when loading the TT?

I have started up the sim a few times now and have always only had one of those trains enter at Cupar so I don't think the TT is at fault.

AndyG - all 10 rules in place.

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PM'd you about the TT.

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NEScot 2013 TT 12/03/2013 at 17:03 #42296
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AndyG - all 10 rules in place.
I was thinking if the user had somehow lost/not copied/wrongly placed the .WTR file, wanted to be 100% sure the rules were in place on their setup.

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NEScot 2013 TT 13/03/2013 at 15:41 #42306
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Hi,

Sorry for the delay - university and jobs call etc.

I loaded the TT from the box that appears when you start a new simulation - I think it says select TT or words to that effect.
I changed nothing, starting at midnight and doing nothing in the settings.

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Hi,

Sorry for the delay - university and jobs call etc.

I loaded the TT from the box that appears when you start a new simulation - I think it says select TT or words to that effect.
I changed nothing, starting at midnight and doing nothing in the settings.
Can you confirm whether the rules are present as per AndyG's posting at 16:03 yesterday?

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All,

Thanks for the timetable. I have one query, though. I seem to have ended up with almost all the '0ZXX' trains entering on the same day.

I was under the impression only one was meant to run on any one occasion.

Thanks again
Did you copy both the .WTT and .WTR files?

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NEScot 2013 TT 14/03/2013 at 15:37 #42326
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There are 10 rules present in the F4 option menu.

I copied over both the .WTT and .WTR files into the appropriate folder.

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