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| 2012 Olympics TT's 24/03/2013 at 09:42 #42602 | |
Mattyq
259 posts |
Just played the KX 2012 OG TT. Brilliant. Just wondering if anyone is going to create one for Waterloo or maybe Nth London line? Cheers Matt Smith Newcastle (Australia) Not fat ..... fluffy!! (G Iglesias) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Underwood |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 24/03/2013 at 14:27 #42621 | |
Underwood
746 posts |
Thank you very much Matt :) I have made one for the North London Line, though it's not on the download page. I just remembered it was removed by someone in error, I'll re-upload it. There is also one for Peterborough that can be chained with King's Cross, Cambridge and Euston are also in test stages. Glad you liked it though :) Cheers, James. Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 24/03/2013 at 17:57 #42629 | |
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phil_price479
19 posts |
Underwood, I would also like to offer my gratitude to such a great TT. It does however have a few tiny errors (WGC trains not changing headcodes, lots of 5Z00's appearing at 0600) Do you plan to correct all the bugs and re-upload an updated version? PHIL Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 24/03/2013 at 18:10 #42630 | |
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Underwood
746 posts |
I do indeed plan on re-vamping the timetable, and including train lengths in the description. The 5Z00's will stay, until KX is updated, if it does that is, and supports starting trains in platforms/track circuit sections then they will be removed. Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 24/03/2013 at 19:22 #42631 | |
BarryM
2158 posts |
" said:I do indeed plan on re-vamping the timetable, and including train lengths in the description.Hello James, The 5Z00's do create a great deal of trouble when KX is played in a "bad day" scenario. The old core code cannot handle correctly headcodes longer than 4 digits in timetable display. Can I suggest you number these trains 5Z01 to 5Z99? Keep up the good work mate. Many good nights have been fun. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 25/03/2013 at 03:01 #42651 | |
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Mattyq
259 posts |
" said:I do indeed plan on re-vamping the timetable, and including train lengths in the description.James, Just a suggestion mate. Since the seeding services are only run to make the simulation work and do not run in real life (IE: are "make believe"), might I suggest the train ID naming convention not be strictly adhered to, to allow great flexibility with train headcodes for seed services. What I mean is using a mix of alpha and numeric characters in the headcode, rather than adhering to the 5Znn structure. A sample headcode for a train to KX to form 2V01 could be:- SKV1- 'S' - Seed service 'K' - to Kings X 'V' - forms a 'V' train '1' - run No.1 for a V seed or a simpler version might be "V01S" - 'V01' last 3 characters of service to be formed 'S' seed service If there are 2 trains ending in 'V01' they could easily be made 'V01S' and V01T' or 'V01S' for 2V01 (slow train) and 'V01F' for 1V01 (fast train). The possibilities are endless. Cheers Matt Not fat ..... fluffy!! (G Iglesias) Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 25/03/2013 at 03:34 #42652 | |
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Josie
310 posts |
One minor problem with using non-standard headcodes is that headcodes written on sticky notes only become clickable and open the timetable if they are in the format 0A00* (this can be seen on WembleySub, where sticky notes with LUL headcodes remain as plain text - although I vaguely recall someone saying that was an oversight and will be fixed in future). So the sim would still run as expected, but it might complicate forward planning.
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| 2012 Olympics TT's 25/03/2013 at 09:43 #42658 | |
postal
5190 posts |
Is it possible to make them 5V01S (S for seed) etc. This lets you know the next working and helps with the forward planning.
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| 2012 Olympics TT's 25/03/2013 at 12:11 #42663 | |
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Mattyq
259 posts |
" said:One minor problem with using non-standard headcodes is that headcodes written on sticky notes only become clickable and open the timetable if they are in the format 0A00* (this can be seen on WembleySub, where sticky notes with LUL headcodes remain as plain text - although I vaguely recall someone saying that was an oversight and will be fixed in future). So the sim would still run as expected, but it might complicate forward planning.However did we survive before clickable sticky notes existed?   Well, for one, I used to type the headcode into a rarely used berth or even the duty berth (where sims permit this). Some sims have scratch pads just for this. Not fat ..... fluffy!! (G Iglesias) Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 25/03/2013 at 12:21 #42665 | |
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Underwood
746 posts |
Interesting, never really thought about letters! Postal does have a good point though, using a 'S' suffix might be better than having different destination code etc letters for seeds, might look into just adding the 'S' for those seeding to a place, and as usual leaving the headcode as is if it's seeding out (like a 00:05 departure from King's Cross going to Cambridge or whatever). Barry and I have found some alterations to fix, I have also been commented on freight that doesn't run, though there isn't that much so to speak it does liven up multi player when someone is on Hitchin and gets the same pattern going on, nice to have something different thrown in. Train lengths was someone's idea (I am sorry I forget who suggested it!) and decided I'd go through each service and add the length and car numbers of each train in meters. I reckon it should help in multi player too as I found it was a common question, after all not everyone knows if a Class 365 is 4 cars, or is such and such meters in length. Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 25/03/2013 at 13:28 #42671 | |
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AndyG
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My twopennorth is with Postal's view, just suffix 'S' (or even 'SEED'to the TD, then it's clear what is being seeded and is hypothetical, and when the seed changes to its actual train, the TD may not even need re-interposing on-screen. (Also helps clarity if/when revisiting the TT at a later date.) I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 25/03/2013 at 14:21 #42674 | |
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postal
5190 posts |
In this sort of instance (and in a sim that is not yet coded to have seed trains entering in their true position), I was envisaging 5V01S running into The Cross to form 2V01. Cl 5 for two reasons - so it is clear it is not a service train and also to stop messages about routed onto Goods Lines etc as the train enters the sim in a possibly obscure location.
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| 2012 Olympics TT's 25/03/2013 at 22:29 #42714 | |
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phil_price479
19 posts |
Underwood, I must admit I like Bazz's suggestion of numbering all the seed trains as 5Z00-5Z99. As a signaller in real life I am used to seeing Z headcodes as "unbooked" services and alerts me to the fact that I need to discover its booked path for that day. If this was the case in the scenario then it would make it all that more realistic PHIL Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 26/03/2013 at 15:08 #42735 | |
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Underwood
746 posts |
Hmm another valid point. 5Z01 etc may work too, I suppose also with the ACI on the cross you can't really get muddled with what train it works after as it should interpose it for you anyway? I have re-uploaded the North London Line timetable, just awaiting approval. Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 26/03/2013 at 19:35 #42749 | |
Peter Bennet
5360 posts |
" said:You've not followed the upload instructions and the format labelling. I presume you did it on v2.102 Do you have a short description? Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 26/03/2013 at 20:00 #42750 | |
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Underwood
746 posts |
I was unaware of that to be honest, sorry. I just used the name I used last time I uploaded it, just added Olympic to it instead. Also I did have a description too, did it not show up? I've sent it again with Beta Scrolly added to the end and re-typed the short description which will hopefully show. Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 26/03/2013 at 23:00 #42753 | |
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Peter Bennet
5360 posts |
Done Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Underwood |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 26/03/2013 at 23:18 #42757 | |
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Underwood
746 posts |
Thanks for that Peter! Someone also asked about Waterloo? I'm onto that at the moment too, this time a bit more date-specific than King's Cross, so that all trains before 9th/10th August run as planned, all ruled against trains that ran after this date. These had different routings through Vauxhall so it won't always be the same game. There may be exceptions, for instance in early August, the ex-Alton arrives into Waterloo 00:02 Platform 14, next working out there is 18 minutes later running as the 00:20 back to Alton. Fair enough. In mid-August the train is booked into Platform 15. The 00:20 Alton however doesn't run, so what does this one on 15 do, next one booked out is the 00:50 Portsmouth..oh hang on, that doesn't run mid-August...next one booked for P15 is the 05:12 Shepperton via Kingston, I seriously doubt it would be this as it's not date restricted, and highly unlikely to have a Class 450 on it (remember it came from Alton). Talk about confusing! I actually think NR have muddled it up and is *supposed* to do the Portsmouth. To be honest I found this doing the KX timetable. If a dated train ran out of KX, say a 00:09 to Cambridge runs until 9th August, the Cambridge WTT would oppose and tell me actually it's not supposed to run until AFTER the 9th of August...which one is right!?! EDIT - Doesn't matter, the 00:50 is linked with an ex-Portsmouth, There is nothing that the mid-August ex-Alton does, I doubt it sits in Platform 15 for the whole day. Maybe there is an ECS missing or does some un-advertised service? Last edited: 26/03/2013 at 23:37 by Underwood Log in to reply |
| 2012 Olympics TT's 27/03/2013 at 00:36 #42763 | |
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Danny252
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The WTTs have an amusing number of errors and omissions. The early morning XC off Bath runs ECS from some Bristol area depot to BTM, then magically teleports to Bath to form the service.
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| 2012 Olympics TT's 27/03/2013 at 00:43 #42764 | |
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postal
5190 posts |
But you transpose from the WTT to SimSig and you start to learn how much the railway has to rely on people making the best of an impossible situation.
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| 2012 Olympics TT's 27/03/2013 at 15:39 #42778 | |
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Underwood
746 posts |
" said:The WTTs have an amusing number of errors and omissions. The early morning XC off Bath runs ECS from some Bristol area depot to BTM, then magically teleports to Bath to form the service.!! Never even knew that! That's not all, there is another ECS that arrives to work seemingly nothing at all, so far I have 3 trains that arrive at Waterloo with no onward workings, again either that or they are just 3 spares should the games over-run, but even if they did, I can't see a plan where they would go to if they were needed, whereas the Loco Hauled spares did have a timetable and destination if they were ever to run. I don't know weather to add them in, then just send them home to Wimbledon or something or just make up some one off extra, could work that off percentages so that sometimes it does or it doesn't Log in to reply |