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6O47 & 6Y60 11/07/2013 at 21:33 #47018
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Just a note that there is no loco run round timetabled for the Ardingly stone trains at Haywards Heath in the 2009 TT in the refreshed sim. Sorry if it;s been mentioned before.
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6O47 & 6Y60 12/07/2013 at 12:36 #47041
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No it hasn't been mentioned before, but yes I did realise I'd missed it. It will be corrected at a later date.

Thanks anyway

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6O47 & 6Y60 16/10/2013 at 14:31 #50064
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If we were to edit this ourselves, what would need to go in the TT? In other words, which lines are used for running round? I imagine its the loop on the east side of Haywards Heath station but if someone could elaborate on the specific moves, that would be most helpful.
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6O47 & 6Y60 17/10/2013 at 11:26 #50094
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If we were to edit this ourselves, what would need to go in the TT? In other words, which lines are used for running round? I imagine its the loop on the east side of Haywards Heath station but if someone could elaborate on the specific moves, that would be most helpful.
First up the length of 6O47 needs to be shorten to 230m. It is too long for an engine to run around.
Next is to create an engine. cl67 20m long.
Next create a tt for the engine 0O47 to run around using locations: Haywards Heath P1 dep 00:00, Haywards Heath DN SDG SPur 00:00, Haywards Heath DN SDG SOuth 00/00, Haywards Heath DN SDG NOrth 00:00, Haywards Heath 00:00 P1 Activities Join 6O47.
Next amend 6O47 tt location Haywards Heath P1 Stopping position Far end exact, Activities DetachF 0O47, Join 0O47.
Hope this helps.
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6O47 & 6Y60 17/10/2013 at 13:05 #50097
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" said:
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If we were to edit this ourselves, what would need to go in the TT? In other words, which lines are used for running round? I imagine its the loop on the east side of Haywards Heath station but if someone could elaborate on the specific moves, that would be most helpful.
First up the length of 6O47 needs to be shorten to 230m. It is too long for an engine to run around.
Is it?! I thought for 6O47 you need to set the route from Signal 345 into the Spur, as detailed in the manual (see bullet point #7), for the run round to work?

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6O47 & 6Y60 17/10/2013 at 20:45 #50108
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If we were to edit this ourselves, what would need to go in the TT? In other words, which lines are used for running round? I imagine its the loop on the east side of Haywards Heath station but if someone could elaborate on the specific moves, that would be most helpful.
First up the length of 6O47 needs to be shorten to 230m. It is too long for an engine to run around.
Is it?! I thought for 6O47 you need to set the route from Signal 345 into the Spur, as detailed in the manual (see bullet point #7), for the run round to work?
Ah! I forgot the new addition to the timetable setup for overlength trains. As a result, 6O47 length does not need to be shorten. The final step should now read as follows:

Next amend 6O47 tt location Haywards Heath P1 Stopping position Near end, Adjustment 27, Activities DetachF 0O47, Join 0O47.
Thank you Tim.

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6O47 & 6Y60 21/05/2014 at 03:04 #60747
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BarryM, I think your first suggestion of shorting 6O47 is the one that works.
UKtrainman's idea to set the route into the spur without changing the length of 6O47 appears to have a problem. The section of track between signal 345 and the spur never times out. So you cannot sent the route from 1230 into the DN SDG SOUTH as points 1796 are locked.
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With 6O47 reduced to 230M it happily sits behind signal 345 and the run around with 0O47 works a treat

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6O47 & 6Y60 16/01/2015 at 11:05 #67924
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Well, I've tried this multiple ways, and I can't make it work.
There are two conflicting problems:

At Haywards Heath, Using Far End Exact will not allow cancellation of the route between Signal 345 and the Spur end, rendering the detached locomotive immovable.

I've tried Default, Near end, Far end - these the track to naturally cancel, and the locmotive can perform the runaround, and can re-attach to 6O47 successfully. BUT after joining, the locomotive has not passed the points on it's route from DN SDG NORTH, meaning the train cannot procede.

(EDIT: I got those paragraphs round the wrong way, is all. Whatever, it's a catch 22.)

As far as I can tell, there is no shunt backwards capability, nor is there any way to timetable the manuever anyway. So I'm anxiously awaiting suggestions.

On another note, 230m does seem quite short. I'm no expert, I don't work on the rails, so perhaps someone can enlighten me, I hope so. But I recall several times watching a coal train rumble through Worthing on the west coastway at about 4am. I don't know any more about it, other than I saw i a few times (stood at the crossing gates for ages and ages as it trundled past), can't find any information about it online. I guessed it was travelling to Hove as I'd seen a coal yard there, but that's the limit of my knowledge. In any case, I'd have guessed it was way longer than 230m. So how would a train that long be handled at stations, bearing in mind the problem explained above?

It would be nice to get some freight into the Brighton timetable, but I realise i'm living in the past. :-)

Last edited: 16/01/2015 at 14:26 by canis
Reason: Got things round the wrong way

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6O47 & 6Y60 16/01/2015 at 14:41 #67932
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Try using Near End Exact+22m, it should leave space for the rejoining loco behind S344 clear of the points.

As TC KBK is 260m long, if the arriving train is longer than say 240m it will need to stop beyond S345, so authorise it to PSaD with the points ahead keyed for the spur (to avoid route locking the spur point 1796).

All worked OK when tested. Should be workable with trains up to 430m long.

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" said:
I've tried Default, Near end, Far end - these the track to naturally cancel, and the locmotive can perform the runaround, and can re-attach to 6O47 successfully. BUT after joining, the locomotive has not passed the points on it's route from DN SDG NORTH, meaning the train cannot procede
If the loco has successfully rejoined, you can set back the train (down) to clear the points as it now has power again (possibly may need the TT abandoned temporarily).

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Last edited: 16/01/2015 at 14:48 by AndyG
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6O47 & 6Y60 16/01/2015 at 16:28 #67936
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Thanks a lot, that seemed to do the trick. Might timetable a few more of 'em now.
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